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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:21 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Nobody forced anyone to vote for Trump, the responsibility lies with them. And if Trump is a puppet of Russia, then our fight is more against him than Russia. Russia didn't do anything we haven't done many times over.


A textbook disrespectful response. Sure, goes the drivel, "the USA are an evil empire", blah-blah... Good luck living under Sharia law, Neo-communism or a dictatorship.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:21 pm

Sharania wrote:How is this being "warmongering and populist"? Bit hawkish maybe but how is wanting to retaliate over an attack being "populist"?

Because it's meaningless blather aimed at courting a large group of people that agree with your views. It's not like you or Morgan Freeman will achieve anything apart from make some Russophobes feel better.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:22 pm

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Bod-Tibet wrote:Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.


And you are okay with it?!

Bod-Tibet wrote:And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?


Meddle in their elections. Tear some holes open in their information net. Start properly supporting dissidents and subversive elements in their country.

They want a spy war then lets give them a spy war. I never said anyone needs to get shot.

If attempting to rig someone's elections isn't a declaration of hostilities then I dunno what is.

Releasing information to voters isn't rigging an election even if that information was criminally obtained.
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Postby Zeloxia » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:22 pm

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The of Japan wrote:How about no on second part? just get rid of trump, and replace him.


According to the polls, Republicans trust Russia and Putin more than Democrats. Stil sure that keeping them in power is a good idea?


The opinions of the average republican and democrat matter little when the politicians of both parties have the same goal. That is, enriching the Capitalist class and screwing the populations of other countries.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:22 pm

Sharania wrote:
The of Japan wrote:How about no on second part? just get rid of trump, and replace him.


According to the polls, Republicans trust Russia and Putin more than Democrats. Stil sure that keeping them in power is a good idea?


Yup, I agree with them.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:23 pm

Sharania wrote:A textbook disrespectful response. Sure, goes the drivel, "the USA are an evil empire", blah-blah... Good luck living under Sharia law, Neo-communism or a dictatorship.

Are you serious? You realize that the US supports Saudi Arabia?

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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 pm

The of Japan wrote:a foreign plant? really? you actually believe the bullshit that the leftist media is pandering? I strongly dislike trump, but I will call out bullshit.


Is WaPo"leftist" now?

The case for Trump-Russia collusion: We’re getting very, very close

We now know the motives. In backing Donald Trump, Russia’s oligarchical class sought not only to disrupt U.S. politics but also to reverse sanctions, both those applied in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and those connected to the Magnitsky Act, which targeted officials involved in human rights violations. In seeking Russian support, Trump sought not only to become president but also to make money: Even as he launched his presidential campaign, he hoped to receive a major influx of money from a proposed Trump Tower in Moscow.

Along with the motives, we know the methods. As the New York Times has just graphically demonstrated, professional Russian Internet trolls, probably operating out of St. Petersburg, set up hundreds of fake Facebook and Twitter accounts during the election campaign. The trolls then posted thousands of fake stories, memes and slogans, supported anti-Clinton hashtags and narratives, and linked back to DCLeaks, the website that posted emails that Russian hackers stole from the Clinton campaign. The emails “revealed” by that hack were utterly banal. But the fake operatives said they contained “hidden truths,” hinted that they were part of a secret “Soros” operation, after liberal financier George Soros, and persuaded people to click. This is a method Russian operatives had used before. Previous elections, in Poland and Ukraine, demonstrated that stolen material — any stolen material — can be used to foment conspiracy theories that never die...

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Here is another piece we don’t know: How did Trump happen to use the same conspiracy theories that were proliferating on Russian media, both real and fake? Again, this could be coincidence. Or, again, there could have been coordination. Messages tested by Russian trolls might have been passed on to the Trump campaign — or vice versa.

I still believe, as I’ve been writing for months, that Trump’s sympathy for Russian President Vladimir Putin, a cynicial and vicious dictator, should, by itself, have eliminated him from U.S. politics. Nothing else that we will ever learn about him makes him more unqualified to be president of the United States.

But for those who want something more, do be aware that circumstantial evidence of Russian collusion with his campaign is already available. And direct evidence is getting very, very close.


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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:
Sharania wrote:A textbook disrespectful response. Sure, goes the drivel, "the USA are an evil empire", blah-blah... Good luck living under Sharia law, Neo-communism or a dictatorship.

Are you serious? You realize that the US supports Saudi Arabia?

we should stop buying their blood oil and produce our own from fracking with our high environmental regulations (in comparison to them).
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 pm

Sharania wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Nobody forced anyone to vote for Trump, the responsibility lies with them. And if Trump is a puppet of Russia, then our fight is more against him than Russia. Russia didn't do anything we haven't done many times over.


A textbook disrespectful response. Sure, goes the drivel, "the USA are an evil empire", blah-blah... Good luck living under Sharia law, Neo-communism or a dictatorship.


I don't think evil, but I'm saying Russia's actions aren't any dirtier than ours and we'd be hypocrites to say so.
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Postby Cedoria » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:25 pm

Sharania wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Nobody forced anyone to vote for Trump, the responsibility lies with them. And if Trump is a puppet of Russia, then our fight is more against him than Russia. Russia didn't do anything we haven't done many times over.


A textbook disrespectful response. Sure, goes the drivel, "the USA are an evil empire", blah-blah... Good luck living under Sharia law, Neo-communism or a dictatorship.

A totally silly and completely irrelevant response from you to justify an even more batshit conclusion.
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Postby UIJ » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:28 pm

Now I hate Russia just as much as any other red blooded American

But hear me out, right?

They have these craaaaazy thing called nukes, and when we go to war, the humanity will end in a nuclear holocaust

Besides
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.


Way to twist my words.

Everyone has bias. My bias is that even Russia deserves to be free. Naturally, no one with the connection to the present Regime can assure that. So they must be depreived of their political rights, which they'd use to harm the nascent democracy anyway.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:31 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Having Garry Kasparov is your sig is more of a joke tbh


What's so funny here? Nemtsov is not laughing. He's dead. As many others killed by Putin.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:32 pm

Sharania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.


Way to twist my words.

Everyone has bias. My bias is that even Russia deserves to be free. Naturally, no one with the connection to the present Regime can assure that. So they must be depreived of their political rights, which they'd use to harm the nascent democracy anyway.


Good luck with that.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:34 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:Yeah, doesn't concern me. Russia isn't a Nazi dictatorship.


It's second worst thing possible.

Bod-Tibet wrote:Vague evidence of releasing sensitive information is not a legitimate casus belli to engage in a full on spy war. Also, you do realize that you're basically doing what Russia did, but worse? Great way to have a moral high ground.


How would it be "worse"? I never said "total war". I just said "retaliation in kind".
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:34 pm

Cedoria wrote:
So if it's an act of war to rig elections you say we declare war on the largest nuclear power on the planet?

Great fucking idea.


Too late - they declared the war on US.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:35 pm

Sharania wrote:Way to twist my words.

Everyone has bias. My bias is that even Russia deserves to be free. Naturally, no one with the connection to the present Regime can assure that. So they must be depreived of their political rights, which they'd use to harm the nascent democracy anyway.

Yo dawg, I heard you like democracy.

So we took the democracy out of democracy.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:35 pm

Sharania wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.


Way to twist my words.

Everyone has bias. My bias is that even Russia deserves to be free. Naturally, no one with the connection to the present Regime can assure that. So they must be depreived of their political rights, which they'd use to harm the nascent democracy anyway.

And what of the vast majority of people who vote for United Russia, the KPRF, the LDPR? It's undeniable these parties together are voted for by a supermajority of the population.
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Postby Cedoria » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:35 pm

Sharania wrote:
Cedoria wrote:
So if it's an act of war to rig elections you say we declare war on the largest nuclear power on the planet?

Great fucking idea.


Too late - they declared the war on US.

Tell me where they did that.

And if we all die in nuclear fireball at the end of it, I don't really give a fuck who started the fight that caused it.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:37 pm

Sharania wrote:It's second worst thing possible.

How would it be "worse"? I never said "total war". I just said "retaliation in kind".

*Soviet Union sneaks a hurt look around the corner*

Last time I checked, Russia didn't 'start properly supporting dissidents and subversive elements' in the US.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:39 pm

The of Japan wrote:what poles?


Gallup: Putin's Image Rises in US, Mostly Among Republicans (Feb 2017).

Politico: Republicans' confidence in Russia's Putin on the rise

No support to the Republicans. Not while we've still got Russian elements in office at least.

The CIA better be making one hell of a playbook for whichever Democrat wins in 2020 though.

But frankly it doesn't really matter what we want. We're in a spy war, we can either choose to participate or we can keep getting attacked like this.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:40 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:Because it's meaningless blather aimed at courting a large group of people that agree with your views. It's not like you or Morgan Freeman will achieve anything apart from make some Russophobes feel better.


Boo-hoo. How come all those "Russphobes" are just people who oppose Russian aggression?
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Postby Lowell Leber » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:41 pm

I posted many anti Hillary hashtags and memes and have yet recieved a dime from Russia.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:41 pm

Sharania wrote:Boo-hoo. How come all those "Russphobes" are just people who oppose Russian aggression?

That's not necessarily a problem. Advocating a full on spy war after some shady information was illegally released... that's Russophobia.

Also, advocating US aggression is not the answer.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:42 pm

Sharania wrote:
Bod-Tibet wrote:Because it's meaningless blather aimed at courting a large group of people that agree with your views. It's not like you or Morgan Freeman will achieve anything apart from make some Russophobes feel better.


Boo-hoo. How come all those "Russphobes" are just people who oppose Russian aggression?

I think you go a bit further than that.
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