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Sharania
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:08 pm

The of Japan wrote:Trump is not a standard republican, most republicans are majorly different in many ways from trump, and trump is unique from them aswell on nato. also there are some crazy dems as well.


Indeed. He's the outspoken supporter of racism, sexism and bigotry. Also - a foreign plant.

The only good thing is that overt racists in the Trump administration (e.g. Bannon) have proven themselves to be completely incompetent which has discredit them.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:08 pm

The of Japan wrote:the US has stopped, except for not-currently-fighting-Syrian-govt SDF

Yeah, thanks to Trump. The OP is anti-Trump however, and wants a candidate that would escalate the issue.

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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:09 pm

Sharania wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Trump is not a standard republican, most republicans are majorly different in many ways from trump, and trump is unique from them aswell on nato. also there are some crazy dems as well.


Indeed. He's the outspoken supporter of racism, sexism and bigotry. Also - a foreign plant.

The only good thing is that overt racists in the Trump administration (e.g. Bannon) have proven themselves to be completely incompetent which has discredit them.

a foreign plant? really? you actually believe the bullshit that the leftist media is pandering? I strongly dislike trump, but I will call out bullshit.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:09 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:Yeaaaah noooo.

I don't want nuclear war.


They'll only escalate their attacks even if we appease them. The Russians are going for our throats now and either we let them do that or we respond in kind.

Sorry but the Cold War is back on whether we want it or not.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:09 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:
The of Japan wrote:the US has stopped, except for not-currently-fighting-Syrian-govt SDF

Yeah, thanks to Trump. The OP is anti-Trump however, and wants a candidate that would escalate the issue.

Clinton would have potentially started ww3 over Syria,
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:11 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:You don't have to. It's the logical conclusion of trying to pursue a conflict, peaceful or otherwise, with Russia. Sooner or later, one nation will snap.


I'm not saying park nukes on the Polish border with Russia but we have to give the Russians a bloody nose.

At the very least just so we can get Republicans out of office. After that we'll see how the conflict is going.

And make no mistake, this is a conflict (if the term "war" irks you so much).
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:11 pm

Sharania wrote:They'll only escalate their attacks even if we appease them. The Russians are going for our throats now and either we let them do that or we respond in kind.

Sorry but the Cold War is back on whether we want it or not.

Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.

And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?

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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:12 pm

Sharania wrote:
Bod-Tibet wrote:You don't have to. It's the logical conclusion of trying to pursue a conflict, peaceful or otherwise, with Russia. Sooner or later, one nation will snap.


I'm not saying park nukes on the Polish border with Russia but we have to give the Russians a bloody nose.

At the very least just so we can get Republicans out of office. After that we'll see how the conflict is going.

And make no mistake, this is a conflict (if the term "war" irks you so much).

How about no on second part? just get rid of trump, and replace him.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:13 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:
Sharania wrote:They'll only escalate their attacks even if we appease them. The Russians are going for our throats now and either we let them do that or we respond in kind.

Sorry but the Cold War is back on whether we want it or not.

Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.

And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?

that are trying to join eu and nato, and now they cant because of their issues with Russia.
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Postby Zeloxia » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:13 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Sharania wrote:
Indeed. He's the outspoken supporter of racism, sexism and bigotry. Also - a foreign plant.

The only good thing is that overt racists in the Trump administration (e.g. Bannon) have proven themselves to be completely incompetent which has discredit them.

a foreign plant? really? you actually believe the bullshit that the leftist media is pandering? I strongly dislike trump, but I will call out bullshit.


Liberals aren't letists and news reporting news isn't leftist either.

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Bod-Tibet wrote:Yeah, thanks to Trump. The OP is anti-Trump however, and wants a candidate that would escalate the issue.

Clinton would have potentially started ww3 over Syria,


Yeah... McCarthy called.
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 pm

Sharania wrote:
I'm not saying park nukes on the Polish border with Russia but we have to give the Russians a bloody nose.

At the very least just so we can get Republicans out of office. After that we'll see how the conflict is going.

And make no mistake, this is a conflict (if the term "war" irks you so much).

Vague warmongering and populist rhetoric (sounds like someone... hmm...) doesn't solve anything.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:14 pm

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Not "might have". They "influenced". And they did much, much more than that.

Why would we do nothing and appease the nation that just attacked us? Are you seriously suggesting that we just let the Russians quietly run the government?

Nobody forced anyone to vote for Trump, the responsibility lies with them. And if Trump is a puppet of Russia, then our fight is more against him than Russia. Russia didn't do anything we haven't done many times over.
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Postby Cedoria » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:15 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Bod-Tibet wrote:Yeah, thanks to Trump. The OP is anti-Trump however, and wants a candidate that would escalate the issue.

Clinton would have potentially started ww3 over Syria,

No she wouldn't have.
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Postby Kiminska » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:16 pm

What is meant by "the good fight" ? How is this fight to be waged? To what extent is Russia to be punished for promoting pro-Trump propaganda and for hacking the DNC? Is this a call for sanctions or a call for invasion?

Let's establish a goal post before we play ball.

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Postby Cedoria » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:16 pm

Sharania wrote:
Bod-Tibet wrote:You don't have to. It's the logical conclusion of trying to pursue a conflict, peaceful or otherwise, with Russia. Sooner or later, one nation will snap.


I'm not saying park nukes on the Polish border with Russia but we have to give the Russians a bloody nose.

At the very least just so we can get Republicans out of office. After that we'll see how the conflict is going.

And make no mistake, this is a conflict (if the term "war" irks you so much).

So what DO you suggest we do. Give specific examples.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.


And you are okay with it?!

Bod-Tibet wrote:And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?


Meddle in their elections. Tear some holes open in their information net. Start properly supporting dissidents and subversive elements in their country.

They want a spy war then lets give them a spy war. I never said anyone needs to get shot.

If attempting to rig someone's elections isn't a declaration of hostilities then I dunno what is.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 pm

Cedoria wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Clinton would have potentially started ww3 over Syria,

No she wouldn't have.

she wanted to intervene more directly in Syria.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:17 pm

I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:18 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I just feel I should remind everyone that Sharania has a huge political bias in that he thinks most Russians should be stripped of their right to vote so that a liberal dictatorship of pro-Western Russians can be established.

Having Garry Kasparov is your sig is more of a joke tbh

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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:19 pm

The of Japan wrote:How about no on second part? just get rid of trump, and replace him.


According to the polls, Republicans trust Russia and Putin more than Democrats. Stil sure that keeping them in power is a good idea?
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Postby Cedoria » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:19 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Cedoria wrote:No she wouldn't have.

she wanted to intervene more directly in Syria.

No proof that would lead to world war.
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Postby Sharania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Bod-Tibet wrote:
Sharania wrote:

Vague warmongering and populist rhetoric (sounds like someone... hmm...) doesn't solve anything.


How is this being "warmongering and populist"? Bit hawkish maybe but how is wanting to retaliate over an attack being "populist"?
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Postby Bod-Tibet » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Sharania wrote:
And you are okay with it?!

Meddle in their elections. Tear some holes open in their information net. Start properly supporting dissidents and subversive elements in their country.

They want a spy war then lets give them a spy war. I never said anyone needs to get shot.

If attempting to rig someone's elections isn't a declaration of hostilities then I dunno what is.

Yeah, doesn't concern me. Russia isn't a Nazi dictatorship.

Vague evidence of releasing sensitive information is not a legitimate casus belli to engage in a full on spy war. Also, you do realize that you're basically doing what Russia did, but worse? Great way to have a moral high ground.

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Postby Cedoria » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Sharania wrote:
Bod-Tibet wrote:Russia is escalating their attacks against Eastern European countries that used to be part of Russia, communist and NOT. They're not going to attack the US any time soon.


And you are okay with it?!

Bod-Tibet wrote:And what do you mean by 'respond in kind'?


Meddle in their elections. Tear some holes open in their information net. Start properly supporting dissidents and subversive elements in their country.

They want a spy war then lets give them a spy war. I never said anyone needs to get shot.

If attempting to rig someone's elections isn't a declaration of hostilities then I dunno what is.


So if it's an act of war to rig elections you say we declare war on the largest nuclear power on the planet?

Great fucking idea.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:20 pm

Sharania wrote:
The of Japan wrote:How about no on second part? just get rid of trump, and replace him.


According to the polls, Republicans trust Russia and Putin more than Democrats. Stil sure that keeping them in power is a good idea?

what poles? and by how much? and I don't support many potential canidates of the democrats, if they have a good candidate, maaaayyybe I might support them.
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