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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:47 pm

Telconi wrote:
Galloism wrote:We all know assault rifles exist.

"Assault weapons", on the other hand, is an imaginary category made by congress which banned weapons based on cosmetic features.


If it frightens Dianne Feinstein, it is now an assault weapon. If it frightens Kevin DeLeon, it's a ghost gun.

A ghost gun that shoots a 30 caliber magazine clip in half a second even.... :rofl:

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:48 pm

So what do you al think should be included in background checks? Also what mental illnesses should make it so that people cannot buy a gun?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:48 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
If it frightens Dianne Feinstein, it is now an assault weapon. If it frightens Kevin DeLeon, it's a ghost gun.

A ghost gun that shoots a 30 caliber magazine clip in half a second even.... :rofl:

That's quite the fire rate.
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:49 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
The evidence is the rest of the west.

The rest of the world does not have a culture similar to that of the US or a population like that of the US.


Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:49 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So what do you al think should be included in background checks? Also what mental illnesses should make it so that people cannot buy a gun?


Background checks are already pretty expansive, I can't think of much more to add to NICS. Of course NICS shouldn't be expanded at all currently unless the FBI gets several more billion dollars solely to keep it running.

As for mental illnesses, no idea. That's not a field I'm knowledgable in.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:49 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The rest of the world does not have a culture similar to that of the US or a population like that of the US.


Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!


Phew, smells like bullshit in here.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:50 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The rest of the world does not have a culture similar to that of the US or a population like that of the US.


Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!

Hmm, so nothing to actually respond to the point?
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:50 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So what do you al think should be included in background checks? Also what mental illnesses should make it so that people cannot buy a gun?

I'm going to punt a little on this: any mental illness that makes a person a danger to others based on the psychiatrist's judgement.

However, there would need to be an appeal process as well.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:50 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The rest of the world does not have a culture similar to that of the US or a population like that of the US.


Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!


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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:51 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The rest of the world does not have a culture similar to that of the US or a population like that of the US.


Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!

If that's all you see America as, feel free to go to Japan. One of the most Xenophobic countries on Earth, yet ironically beloved by people such as yourself.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:A ghost gun that shoots a 30 caliber magazine clip in half a second even.... :rofl:

That's quite the fire rate.


Ok Kevin take it away
Watch the police officer in the back, the look on his face says it all. Kevin you're a dipshit.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:51 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So what do you al think should be included in background checks? Also what mental illnesses should make it so that people cannot buy a gun?

I'm going to punt a little on this: any mental illness that makes a person a danger to others based on the psychiatrist's judgement.

However, there would need to be an appeal process as well.


I could get behind this, though as already stated by another user, not a field I'm an expert on.

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:52 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!

Hmm, so nothing to actually respond to the point?


I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:52 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:The rest of the world does not have a culture similar to that of the US or a population like that of the US.


Yeah are culture was and still is death and money, that's all America is a get rich scheme, the basically said there are no rules make as much money as you possibly can kill the natives off enslave the minorities and indenture the poor, care not for your fellow man but for the dollar!


Same with Great Britain and their fucking empire.
Same with all the colonial powers. Make money, enslave the natives, and/or kill the natives.


But guns have nothing to do with that.
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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:53 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hmm, so nothing to actually respond to the point?


I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

If only saying it would make it so.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:53 pm

Neutraligon wrote:So what do you al think should be included in background checks? Also what mental illnesses should make it so that people cannot buy a gun?

I think I listed this before, but felonies punishable by more than 1 year in prison, violent misdemeanors, persons addicted to a controlled substance, and anyone deemed a threat to self or others by a licensed physician. Periodic reviews of persons on the list would be a must.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:54 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hmm, so nothing to actually respond to the point?


I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

Hmm, so that's why Europe has had all those wars....
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:54 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's quite the fire rate.


Ok Kevin take it away
Watch the police officer in the back, the look on his face says it all. Kevin you're a dipshit.

I mean, 60 bullets a second won't run into any direct problems with relativity...
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:54 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So what do you al think should be included in background checks? Also what mental illnesses should make it so that people cannot buy a gun?

I think I listed this before, but felonies punishable by more than 1 year in prison, violent misdemeanors, persons addicted to a controlled substance, and anyone deemed a threat to self or others by a licensed physician. Periodic reviews of persons on the list would be a must.

What about those who have orders to stay away from certain people?
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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:55 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Hmm, so nothing to actually respond to the point?


I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.


America got its violent tendencies from its father: Great Britain

And lets not forget what Spain did to Native Americans. And what the Dutch did to those in the Congo.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:56 pm

Valgora wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.


America got its violent tendencies from its father: Great Britain

And lets not forget what Spain did to Native Americans. And what the Dutch did to those in the Congo.

The French where just great when it came to slaves. From what I recall they had one of the highest death tolls when it came to the Trans atlantic trade. (got this from the African American museum in DC)
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:56 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Galloism wrote:That's quite the fire rate.


Ok Kevin take it away
Watch the police officer in the back, the look on his face says it all. Kevin you're a dipshit.


Priceless.

Though this one is another favorite of mine as well, very well spoken.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:56 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:I think I listed this before, but felonies punishable by more than 1 year in prison, violent misdemeanors, persons addicted to a controlled substance, and anyone deemed a threat to self or others by a licensed physician. Periodic reviews of persons on the list would be a must.

What about those who have orders to stay away from certain people?

I would throw that in as well, though again periodic reviews looking at if the persons on the list should still be barred. Looking at things like time, more recent history, location, etc.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:57 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

Hmm, so that's why Europe has had all those wars....

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:00 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Ok Kevin take it away
Watch the police officer in the back, the look on his face says it all. Kevin you're a dipshit.


Priceless.

Though this one is another favorite of mine as well, very well spoken.


I agree. I bet her dad/mom had the biggest grin on his/her face, I'd say parenting done right.

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