Gun Control

[Dylar]

Oh wow, another Keshiland "fact" to add to my factbook(!) Your fact is wrong, Gabrielle Giffords is a case in point, a senator that was shot in the head in 2011, and survived.

The few cases to the contrary are irrelevant. If you are being attacked they will top attacking the moment they are hit with a bullet to the head.

They're perfectly relevant. Your claim was that all headshots are a guaranteed death. That's not the case as many of us have given you examples. Plus, I should point out that a headshot is much harder to achieve in reality. Contrary to what your video games have been leading you to believe. That's why when you have to use a gun in self defense you aim for the torso, because that's the largest body mass, and usually your ultimate goal is to just stop the attacker, not kill him.

[Salandriagado]

Because as we all know, the only government that could possibly become tyrannical is the Federal Government. There's no possible way that a state government could go along with the Federal Government.

Well, actually the State governments were the biggest abusers of human rights in this country. However, the founding fathers did not want to limit the power of the state. But you get my point the 2A was meant to protect against the federal government.

Well, each intruder needs three bullets, minimum. Two in their cavity one in their dome. Here is an example of needing, at minimum, 18 rounds of ammunition to do that.

Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.

What if there's 11 deer?

Well, why would you need to kill all 11. Peta would want a word with you

Because they're fun.

Lives over fun

We have. We've listed them. I've decided because fuck you that's why.

Non-specific you, don't mean to be aggressive. Like, fuck you in general, not fuck you, specifically.

Free access to guns never works out well

If you aim for the head, you're probably a moron.

[Euslavia]

I mean he wants to ban *all* guns in the US, so I doubt he knows anything relating to America and guns.

Perhaps he should stop worrying about American and what it does or doesn't do, and start worrying about whatever country he calls home. Clearly, something isn't right locally...

Well, the thread is titled 'Gun Control' without any other qualifiers, so I assume that the subject isn't just limited to the United States.

Also, to be clear, I don't really care about what Americans do in their country. If they want to make nudity compulsory, let them. If they want free guns for everyone, let them. Their country their choice. But I will always state any problems or shortcomings that I and persons outside the US have observe.

[Telconi]

Oh wow, another Keshiland "fact" to add to my factbook(!) Your fact is wrong, Gabrielle Giffords is a case in point, a senator that was shot in the head in 2011, and survived.

The few cases to the contrary are irrelevant. If you are being attacked they will top attacking the moment they are hit with a bullet to the head.

Thy will stop attacking the moment they'really hit, except when they don't...

[Len Hyet]

It is still never the less a fact that the founding fathers wrote the constitution to protect against the abuse of government at the federal level. The 2nd group of founding fathers were the ones who wanted to protect people from the states.

Still doesn't matter in the slightest but okay.

It is proven fact that shot to the head=Death

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Then you will be arrested for intimidation with a deadly weapon.

Which is in fact, not a crime considering they're trespassing.

Fun is a feel Danger from guns is a fact

Well sure if you don't handle them correctly. Fortunately however, unlike you I am perfectly safe with my guns because I learned how to handle them by handling them, not from HALO.

If someone in a country 1/2 out population but 1.33 the size of Texas (Nigeria) was able to elect a president that after more then 10 years of almost daily terror attacks was able to send them fleeing unarmed on the backs of donkies Americans can get rid of the gun problem.

Leading a counter-insurgency effort with the backing of the most powerful nation on earth is literally exactly the same as solving a complicated social issue?

[Paddy O Fernature]

Perhaps he should stop worrying about American and what it does or doesn't do, and start worrying about whatever country he calls home. Clearly, something isn't right locally...

Well, the thread is titled 'Gun Control' without any other qualifiers, so I assume that the subject isn't just limited to the United States.

Perhaps you should go back and actually read the thread. If you had, you would know that the topic is centered around America and it's current firearm reform debate.

[Gig em Aggies]

There was a second group of founding fathers? So was America founded, lost, and then founded once more?

Technically yes since it was split in two and then reformed with 3 new constitutional amendments that forced the states to actually give people their human rights.

Actually, not all the time

Irrelevant since it still has the stated goal of stopping the attack.

No because America is not Nigeria.

That is also irrelevant since they were in a worse situation more densely populated and an armed insurgency but got out of it. America, if we tried, could do the same.

wtf you mean the civil war first of all Keshi your wrong their is not second set of founding fathers and the new amendments didn't end oppression of minorities till the late 1960's or allow them to vote or own land or serve in a public office so your points are again invalid I think you need to stay in college or even drop out and go back to highschool.

[The New California Republic]

I have also been shot in the head, I was hit by a ricochet in the back of the head at a shooting range and survived it. To this day I don't know where the ricochet came from.

Oh fuck, that sounds like it hurt

It was weird, it sounds strange but it wasn't really that painful, it was more like a sense of confusion and bewilderment caused by a sudden sensation of pressure and force that I hadn't felt before. But from what I have heard, that feeling is normal in such cases.

[Euslavia]

Well, the thread is titled 'Gun Control' without any other qualifiers, so I assume that the subject isn't just limited to the United States.

Perhaps you should go back and actually read the thread. If you had, you would know that the topic is centered around America and it's current firearm reform debate.

Look, obviously the thread is framed around an important American internal policy question. But everything in our earthly lives is subordinated to politics. Firearm control is no exception, and there are other countries dealing with this same matter (somebody even mentioned Paris in this thread). So really, the topic is quite broad. America provides a focal point, but it's not the only one.

[Sovaal]

Oh wow, another Keshiland "fact" to add to my factbook(!) Your fact is wrong, Gabrielle Giffords is a case in point, a senator that was shot in the head in 2011, and survived.

The few cases to the contrary are irrelevant. If you are being attacked they will top attacking the moment they are hit with a bullet to the head.

You realize that head shots are incredibly difficult, correct? Pretty much any firearms training will tell you to go for center mass, or the chest, which while requireing multiple shots, you are more likely to hit. Learn a thing to two before you speak.

[Grinning Dragon]

Oh wow, another Keshiland "fact" to add to my factbook(!) Your fact is wrong, Gabrielle Giffords is a case in point, a senator that was shot in the head in 2011, and survived.

The few cases to the contrary are irrelevant. If you are being attacked they will top attacking the moment they are hit with a bullet to the head.

Or you know, do what we all have been trained to do and aim for center-mass as that is the much easier target to hit, especially a target that is moving.

Edit* damn you, ninjas

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

The few cases to the contrary are irrelevant. If you are being attacked they will top attacking the moment they are hit with a bullet to the head.

Or you know, do what we all have been trained to do and aim for center-mass as that is the much easier target to hit, especially a target that is moving.

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

[Germanic Templars]

Oh fuck, that sounds like it hurt

It was weird, it sounds strange but it wasn't really that painful, it was more like a sense of confusion and bewilderment caused by a sudden sensation of pressure and force that I hadn't felt before. But from what I have heard, that feeling is normal in such cases.

Endorphines and adrenaline are a bitch, epecially after being shot.

[Sovaal]

Or you know, do what we all have been trained to do and aim for center-mass as that is the much easier target to hit, especially a target that is moving.

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

Or that shooting someone in the leg is extremely dangerous as well. People bleed out that way.

[Dylar]

Or you know, do what we all have been trained to do and aim for center-mass as that is the much easier target to hit, especially a target that is moving.

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

It also really irks me when they say "Couldn't you just shoot the gun out his hand?" Like wtf?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Actually, not all the time

Huh. So, you are about as likely to survive being shot in the head as you are to survive smallpox. Cool.

[Grinning Dragon]

Or you know, do what we all have been trained to do and aim for center-mass as that is the much easier target to hit, especially a target that is moving.

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

Same here, it's as if they take hollywood movies as a literal how to instructional video.

[Telconi]

Or you know, do what we all have been trained to do and aim for center-mass as that is the much easier target to hit, especially a target that is moving.

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

Or how fucking ineffective it would be even if you pulled it off...

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

It also really irks me when they say "Couldn't you just shoot the gun out his hand?" Like wtf?

I have heard of that happening on purpose like once and that was by a trained police sharpshooter with a sniper rifle while the guy was holding the revolver perpendicular to him and presenting a larger target.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I hate it when people say things like "he should have just shot him in the leg". Do people not realize how hard it is to shoot a target the size of a leg, let alone on a running man while your adrenaline is pumping at full power?

Or how fucking ineffective it would be even if you pulled it off...

Right? It's not like a 9mm through the thigh or calf muscle is going to automatically stop a 200 something pound man.

[Thermodolia]

Well that explains why I couldn't even find it

The closest word to it is vysokiy or высокий, which literally means high.

Oh how funny

[Telconi]

Or how fucking ineffective it would be even if you pulled it off...

Right? It's not like a 9mm through the thigh or calf muscle is going to automatically stop a 200 something pound man.

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

[Thermodolia]

Because as we all know, the only government that could possibly become tyrannical is the Federal Government. There's no possible way that a state government could go along with the Federal Government.

Well, actually the State governments were the biggest abusers of human rights in this country. However, the founding fathers did not want to limit the power of the state. But you get my point the 2A was meant to protect against the federal government.

Wrong.

Well, each intruder needs three bullets, minimum. Two in their cavity one in their dome. Here is an example of needing, at minimum, 18 rounds of ammunition to do that.

Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.

No you don't aim for the head that's a guaranteed miss. You aim for center mass, i.e. the chest. And sometimes adrenaline will keep the perp moving even though they have been shot.

What if there's 11 deer?

Well, why would you need to kill all 11. Peta would want a word with you

PETA can go fuck itself they aren't animal rights activists at all. Not since they have been caught killing pets, taking money, and kidnaping pets and then murdering them.

Because they're fun.

Lives over fun

Rights over lives.

We have. We've listed them. I've decided because fuck you that's why.

Non-specific you, don't mean to be aggressive. Like, fuck you in general, not fuck you, specifically.

Free access to guns never works out well

Gun control never works out well. See I can be just as silly

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Right? It's not like a 9mm through the thigh or calf muscle is going to automatically stop a 200 something pound man.

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

Oh, I know. It was freaking crazy. And these were guys who were not even under the influence of narcotics or anything.

[Insaeldor]

Right? It's not like a 9mm through the thigh or calf muscle is going to automatically stop a 200 something pound man.

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

Should have used 10mm.