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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:16 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Would it be reasonable to make it so the person purchasing a bump stock has to go through a more thorough background check?

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:16 pm

Stonok wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period

Not if the person teaching them how to shoot has any idea what they're doing. Kids are not utterly retarded, they can be taught that some things are dangerous regardless of color. And kids aren't the only people who use pink guns, again, young women sometimes like to buy them to keep for self defense in their glove box or whatever. This is absurd. My parents taught me to point cap guns away from people...


What about the other 2/3rds of American children who do not have gun-owning parents, who see a gun that looks the same as their nerf gun or water gun?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:16 pm

Neutraligon wrote:Would it be reasonable to make it so the person purchasing a bump stock has to go through a more thorough background check?


Would it not be reasonable to assume that if they passed one to purchase the firearm that it's going on, that they should be good to go for owning one?

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:16 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Senkaku wrote:This is like what my sister does when she doesn't eat something and I'm about to take it- suddenly she wants it again.

"I don't actually want it, but now that you've shown an interest in taking it, I'll make a huge deal of it."


I've never had much of an interest in them because I can simply make new machine guns, that's one of the perks that manufacturers of any size get. But if people wanna start talking about banning em I feel like we should put as many out there as possible.

Oh please do, I'm sure your GOP friendos will appreciate more black kids getting shot in Chicago, really buttresses their whole racial narrative. And who knows? Maybe the cartels will get their hands on some, and start murdering more people so we can get the DEA and the War on Drugs back in full swing, and thus, all shall prosper.

This is a stupid, spiteful, and shortsighted view.
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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:17 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Black and white are colors, what about chrome or silver firearms? OOOH, how about an awesome diamond plate looking firearm.


Help help women are being oppressed!


That's a cool looking pistol. I could see my ol lady sporting that one then needing to go out and by shoes that match it. :p

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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:17 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Would it be reasonable to make it so the person purchasing a bump stock has to go through a more thorough background check?


Would it not be reasonable to assume that if they passed one to purchase the firearm that it's going on, that they should be good to go for owning one?

Are the tests to own an auto versus a non auto the same?
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:18 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself have shot full autos, I find them fun to shoot, I really don't see why the uproar over full autos other than "shit I'm out, gotta reload" and "well that $100 went fast"
I have never and will never buy into they have no use camp, it's a firearm nothing more nothing less.


You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.


Source everything here please.

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:18 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You can bet your ass half the people I know are already gearing up to mass produce the things because of that news. If only my PC worked and I had a printer...

This is like what my sister does when she doesn't eat something and I'm about to take it- suddenly she wants it again.

"I don't actually want it, but now that you've shown an interest in taking it, I'll make a huge deal of it."


t. somebody who hasn't learned thats our national psychology by now

Guns, drugs, rock and roll, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The more you ban it, the more we want it.

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:18 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period

Source.


http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/real-g ... t-22325745
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
Keshiland wrote:A) we don't have daily mass shootings

I mean, on average, we actually manage to have some two-a-days in the mix too

But if literally dozens or hundreds of casualties aren't somewhere high profile like a school or a major city center then no one cares too much bc it's so routine
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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:18 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Stonok wrote:Not if the person teaching them how to shoot has any idea what they're doing. Kids are not utterly retarded, they can be taught that some things are dangerous regardless of color. And kids aren't the only people who use pink guns, again, young women sometimes like to buy them to keep for self defense in their glove box or whatever. This is absurd. My parents taught me to point cap guns away from people...


What about the other 2/3rds of American children who do not have gun-owning parents, who see a gun that looks the same as their nerf gun or water gun?
Where did they get the guns if their parents don't own them? Guns don't just get sold in toy stores, you know

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:19 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Would it not be reasonable to assume that if they passed one to purchase the firearm that it's going on, that they should be good to go for owning one?

Are the tests to own an auto versus a non auto the same?


The process for owning an actual automatic and semi automatic are different.

Firearms with bump fire stocks on them are still classified as semi automatic weapons, as they still only fire once for each trigger pull. They just enable the average user to do so faster.

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Grinning Dragon
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:20 pm

Stonok wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
What about the other 2/3rds of American children who do not have gun-owning parents, who see a gun that looks the same as their nerf gun or water gun?
Where did they get the guns if their parents don't own them? Guns don't just get sold in toy stores, you know

Silly, the gun fairy leaves them under their pillows, didn't you know?

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:20 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Senkaku wrote:This is like what my sister does when she doesn't eat something and I'm about to take it- suddenly she wants it again.

"I don't actually want it, but now that you've shown an interest in taking it, I'll make a huge deal of it."


t. somebody who hasn't learned thats our national psychology by now

Guns, drugs, rock and roll, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The more you ban it, the more we want it.

You'll notice I wasn't denying that feeling's existence, I was just suggesting it's fucking retarded and childish.

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.


Source everything here please.

He got the daily shootings bit... nothing else though I think :p
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:21 pm

Galloism wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.

A) we don't have daily mass shootings
B) We DO have cartels.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... n-violence
no we don't have cartels, or atleast its not a problem here. in mexico cartels control whole states, its not a problem here.
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

State count 135

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:21 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Galloism wrote:

I mean, on average, we actually manage to have some two-a-days in the mix too

But if literally dozens or hundreds of casualties aren't somewhere high profile like a school or a major city center then no one cares too much bc it's so routine


I see a bunch of grey boxes with zero details provided?

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:21 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Are the tests to own an auto versus a non auto the same?


The process for owning an actual automatic and semi automatic are different.

Firearms with bump fire stocks on them are still classified as semi automatic weapons, as they still only fire once for each trigger pull. They just enable the average user to do so faster.

I would think that if you want to do a bump stock then there should be using a different process. At least that makes sense to me.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:22 pm


One test in 1 place is hardly a study.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:22 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Stonok wrote: Where did they get the guns if their parents don't own them? Guns don't just get sold in toy stores, you know

Silly, the gun fairy leaves them under their pillows, didn't you know?


Funny, he looks alot like Jerry Miculek.... :lol:

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:22 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.

I am sorry but...what country are you talking about, because the US certainly has active terrorist organizations and cartels operating within its borders.


Okay internationally recognized ones.
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IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Galloism wrote:A) we don't have daily mass shootings
B) We DO have cartels.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng- ... n-violence
no we don't have cartels, or atleast its not a problem here. in mexico cartels control whole states, its not a problem here.

I only see a few mass shootings on that chart, really.

Also we do have gang violence, which drives most homicides in the US.

2/3 of gun "violence" in the US is suicide.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
The process for owning an actual automatic and semi automatic are different.

Firearms with bump fire stocks on them are still classified as semi automatic weapons, as they still only fire once for each trigger pull. They just enable the average user to do so faster.

I would think that if you want to do a bump stock then there should be using a different process. At least that makes sense to me.


Won't argue against that at this point in time.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Who's trying to stop massacres? Because all I see are tyrants using dead people as a weapon against still living people.


Please calm down.

They're trying to ban an object which was created simply to skirt around laws banning other weapons on a technicality. I doubt the ban will mean anything anyway, since they sound like they can be made by anyone with any skill at all.


I'm plenty calm...

So? I mean, people skirt laws all the time. There are literally entire cities that are declaring themselves "sanctuary" and actively facilitating people who skirt laws.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:24 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Silly, the gun fairy leaves them under their pillows, didn't you know?


Funny, he looks alot like Jerry Miculek.... :lol:

:lol: Now, that would be a sight to see, Jerry wearing fairy wings while shooting like the machine he is.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:24 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Senkaku wrote:This is like what my sister does when she doesn't eat something and I'm about to take it- suddenly she wants it again.

"I don't actually want it, but now that you've shown an interest in taking it, I'll make a huge deal of it."


t. somebody who hasn't learned thats our national psychology by now

Guns, drugs, rock and roll, etc. etc. etc. etc.

The more you ban it, the more we want it.


Winner winner chicken dinner^

One of the main reasons guns like the AR became so popular is because Democrats kept trying to ban it so it drew more attention to it, chances are the same shit is gonna happen here. You can't even really ban such things nowadays because they can be made at home.
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