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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:07 pm

Funny how people trying to stop massacres are 'climbing up piles of corpses to steal liberty'. Hell, this is the GOP, you're making me defend the goddamn GOP.

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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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Because, the Dems will ban bump stocks, pat themselves on the back for having cured homicide. And another mass shooting will have passed without any actual inprovement. We'll come out of it just as we always have, shy a few liberties, and no safer than before.

Then along comes the next shooting, and lo and behold here come the opportunists, climbing up the bodies looking to swipe yet another slice of your liberty.

Funny, the movement on this seems to be coming from the GOP.

“I own a lot of guns, and as a hunter and sportsman, I think that’s our right as Americans, but I don’t understand the use of this bump stock,” Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, said, adding, “It seems like it’s an obvious area we ought to explore and see if it’s something Congress needs to act on.”

Mr. Cornyn said the continuing legality of the conversion kits was “a legitimate question,” and told reporters he had asked Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the Judiciary Committee chairman, to convene a hearing on that issue and any others that arise out of the Las Vegas investigation.

Other Republican senators, including Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, Orrin G. Hatch of Utah and Marco Rubio of Florida, said they would be open to considering legislation on bump stocks.


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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Have anything that ISN'T literally bleeding biased reporting? I mean common guy, at least try a little. :lol:


It was not about the article its self it's about showing that they exist. But if I must http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is- ... oys-2013-2

Nobody denies the existence of pink guns, but banning them is ridiculous. Two people buy them: Parents sometimes get a pink .22 for their tomboyish daughter to go hunt squirrels and the like, and sometimes a young woman or mother will buy a pink pistol. In both instances they're kept safely away from children when they're not under adult supervision, if not all the time. This is InfoWars tier.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Senkaku wrote:"Shy a few liberties", yes, now you won't be able to turn your weapons into fully automatic killing machines. What a loss!


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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Albrenia wrote:Funny how people trying to stop massacres are 'climbing up piles of corpses to steal liberty'. Hell, this is the GOP, you're making me defend the goddamn GOP.


Who's trying to stop massacres? Because all I see are tyrants using dead people as a weapon against still living people.
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Sure. But then you got people like WRA who reaalllyyyy love their guns. :p


You can bet your ass half the people I know are already gearing up to mass produce the things because of that news. If only my PC worked and I had a printer...

This is like what my sister does when she doesn't eat something and I'm about to take it- suddenly she wants it again.

"I don't actually want it, but now that you've shown an interest in taking it, I'll make a huge deal of it."

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Senkaku wrote:I mean, if it basically turns a semiautomatic into an automatic, that seems sensible to ban?


No, it really isn't as it will do jack shit all to appease the gun grabbers.

As a "gun grabber", it'll mildly appease me. I'll still think they're fucking cowards and I know they're just doing it to appease me, but that doesn't change the fact that such a ban would be a step in the right direction, no matter how miniscule. I think we can agree that having people running around with automatics is not good.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:09 pm

I can't see a time when a gun being pink makes it worth banning if the gun itself is not banned.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:10 pm

I myself have shot full autos, I find them fun to shoot, I really don't see why the uproar over full autos other than "shit I'm out, gotta reload" and "well that $100 went fast"
I have never and will never buy into they have no use camp, it's a firearm nothing more nothing less.

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:11 pm

Stonok wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
It was not about the article its self it's about showing that they exist. But if I must http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is- ... oys-2013-2

Nobody denies the existence of pink guns, but banning them is ridiculous. Two people buy them: Parents sometimes get a pink .22 for their tomboyish daughter to go hunt squirrels and the like, and sometimes a young woman or mother will buy a pink pistol. In both instances they're kept safely away from children when they're not under adult supervision, if not all the time. This is InfoWars tier.


Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Funny how people trying to stop massacres are 'climbing up piles of corpses to steal liberty'. Hell, this is the GOP, you're making me defend the goddamn GOP.


Who's trying to stop massacres? Because all I see are tyrants using dead people as a weapon against still living people.

Alright, Rambo, call me when you've overthrown the impending World State because you were wise enough to hang on to your rifle and bump stock. :roll:

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Senkaku wrote:"Shy a few liberties", yes, now you won't be able to turn your weapons into fully automatic killing machines. What a loss!


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Nope, pretty sure it is- Congress debates and passes a thing, then that thing is signed, then it comes into effect.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Funny how people trying to stop massacres are 'climbing up piles of corpses to steal liberty'. Hell, this is the GOP, you're making me defend the goddamn GOP.


Who's trying to stop massacres? Because all I see are tyrants using dead people as a weapon against still living people.


Please calm down.

They're trying to ban an object which was created simply to skirt around laws banning other weapons on a technicality. I doubt the ban will mean anything anyway, since they sound like they can be made by anyone with any skill at all.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:12 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Stonok wrote:Nobody denies the existence of pink guns, but banning them is ridiculous. Two people buy them: Parents sometimes get a pink .22 for their tomboyish daughter to go hunt squirrels and the like, and sometimes a young woman or mother will buy a pink pistol. In both instances they're kept safely away from children when they're not under adult supervision, if not all the time. This is InfoWars tier.


Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period

Source.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Gun control is a good way to punch down, historically speaking
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period

Source.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Stonok wrote:Nobody denies the existence of pink guns, but banning them is ridiculous. Two people buy them: Parents sometimes get a pink .22 for their tomboyish daughter to go hunt squirrels and the like, and sometimes a young woman or mother will buy a pink pistol. In both instances they're kept safely away from children when they're not under adult supervision, if not all the time. This is InfoWars tier.


Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period


Sounds like a massive failure on the parents fault for not teaching their kids to treat every gun as if it's real/loaded too me, and to not point it any anything that they do not intend to shoot.

Apparently, personal responsibility was the first casualty in the gun control war.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Stonok wrote:Nobody denies the existence of pink guns, but banning them is ridiculous. Two people buy them: Parents sometimes get a pink .22 for their tomboyish daughter to go hunt squirrels and the like, and sometimes a young woman or mother will buy a pink pistol. In both instances they're kept safely away from children when they're not under adult supervision, if not all the time. This is InfoWars tier.


Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period


Black and white are colors, what about chrome or silver firearms? OOOH, how about an awesome diamond plate looking firearm.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Would it be reasonable to make it so the person purchasing a bump stock has to go through a more thorough background check?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:13 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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You can bet your ass half the people I know are already gearing up to mass produce the things because of that news. If only my PC worked and I had a printer...

This is like what my sister does when she doesn't eat something and I'm about to take it- suddenly she wants it again.

"I don't actually want it, but now that you've shown an interest in taking it, I'll make a huge deal of it."


I've never had much of an interest in them because I can simply make new machine guns, that's one of the perks that manufacturers of any size get. But if people wanna start talking about banning em I feel like we should put as many out there as possible.
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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:14 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Stonok wrote:Nobody denies the existence of pink guns, but banning them is ridiculous. Two people buy them: Parents sometimes get a pink .22 for their tomboyish daughter to go hunt squirrels and the like, and sometimes a young woman or mother will buy a pink pistol. In both instances they're kept safely away from children when they're not under adult supervision, if not all the time. This is InfoWars tier.


Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period

Not if the person teaching them how to shoot has any idea what they're doing. Kids are not utterly retarded, they can be taught that some things are dangerous regardless of color. And kids aren't the only people who use pink guns, again, young women sometimes like to buy them to keep for self defense in their glove box or whatever. This is absurd. My parents taught me to point cap guns away from people...
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:14 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Gun control is a good way to punch down, historically speaking

"Free Minds and Free Markets"

truly this source seems like it's A+ reliable
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:14 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself have shot full autos, I find them fun to shoot, I really don't see why the uproar over full autos other than "shit I'm out, gotta reload" and "well that $100 went fast"
I have never and will never buy into they have no use camp, it's a firearm nothing more nothing less.


You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:15 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself have shot full autos, I find them fun to shoot, I really don't see why the uproar over full autos other than "shit I'm out, gotta reload" and "well that $100 went fast"
I have never and will never buy into they have no use camp, it's a firearm nothing more nothing less.


You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.

A) we don't have daily mass shootings
B) We DO have cartels.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:15 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Its been proven through studies that kids do not see colored guns as real. No boy or girl looks as a gun that is pink purple blue green and say omg thats a dangerious gun. It looks like a toy and they will treat it like one. Guns should be black and white period


Black and white are colors, what about chrome or silver firearms? OOOH, how about an awesome diamond plate looking firearm.


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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:15 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself have shot full autos, I find them fun to shoot, I really don't see why the uproar over full autos other than "shit I'm out, gotta reload" and "well that $100 went fast"
I have never and will never buy into they have no use camp, it's a firearm nothing more nothing less.


You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.

"daily mass shootings"

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:16 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:I myself have shot full autos, I find them fun to shoot, I really don't see why the uproar over full autos other than "shit I'm out, gotta reload" and "well that $100 went fast"
I have never and will never buy into they have no use camp, it's a firearm nothing more nothing less.


You know when your country is the only country on earth that does not have an active terrorist organisation (or cartels) operating within its borders that has daily mass shootings, and your also the only country in the world that allows its citizens to own guns on its constitution, maybe you should think, hmmm maybe we are doing it wrong and they have it right and change.

I am sorry but...what country are you talking about, because the US certainly has active terrorist organizations and cartels operating within its borders.
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