Gun Control

[Fartsniffage]

Children are denied plenty of rights due to their age. Or do you want 6 year olds voting?

A six year old can't understand economic policy. They can understand "this is dangerous, it is not a toy, don't touch it without Mom or Dad around"

If you're counting on 6 year olds to defend a free state using their arms then you've failed as a parent. Kids don't need to be able to own guns. Parents can just let them use theirs until they hit they age of majority.

[Fartsniffage]

A child is still afforded their enumerated Constitutional Rights, and the 2nd Amendment is one of those Rights, as much as their Right to Free Speech.
I myself couldn't wait till my kids showed maturity and were old enough to go to the range with me, till then it was lots of shooting BB guns in the backyard.

Well I just hope you got a warrant before you went in their rooms....

[Len Hyet]

A six year old can't understand economic policy. They can understand "this is dangerous, it is not a toy, don't touch it without Mom or Dad around"

If you're counting on 6 year olds to defend a free state using their arms then you've failed as a parent. Kids don't need to be able to own guns. Parents can just let them use theirs until they hit they age of majority.

Could you just real quick quote me where I said literally anything about defending a free state using arms?

God damn dude chill. When I was a kid I had my own .22. It wasn't for 'protecting the free state' it was for squirrel hunting.

[Albrenia]

Isn't all of a child's 'property' technically the parent's property?

Otherwise a kid could take the adult to court for theft if they revoked a toy for misbehaviour...

[Fartsniffage]

If you're counting on 6 year olds to defend a free state using their arms then you've failed as a parent. Kids don't need to be able to own guns. Parents can just let them use theirs until they hit they age of majority.

Could you just real quick quote me where I said literally anything about defending a free state using arms?

God damn dude chill. When I was a kid I had my own .22. It wasn't for 'protecting the free state' it was for squirrel hunting.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[Spirit of Hope]

Children are denied plenty of rights due to their age. Or do you want 6 year olds voting?

A six year old can't understand economic policy. They can understand "this is dangerous, it is not a toy, don't touch it without Mom or Dad around"

If they can't touch it without Mom or Dad being around they shouldn't be allowed to own it. Again the parents owning it and then transferring it to the child at 18 produces the same results as your situation.

[Greed and Death]

For those for another recipient, I know that in more rural areas parents by guns for their children, what about those type of purchases? I think if you want to reduce the wait period, you would need more people to do the checking as it can take a lot of time to do that check.

What do you mean open to use by the public? Do you mean you could see your own background check before purchasing?

Gallo same question as above, what about parents who buy guns for their minor children?

For all of you who said background check, what should be included in that. I know mental history and criminal history, anything else?

There's no reason a child needs a gun that is legally theirs. My child "owns" guns, but it's not legally hers, it's mine.

The check takes a handful of minutes, the ten day wait is simply a legally enforced wait period, they know before you leave the store on day one rather you've passed or not.

In rural areas it is common practice for farmers and Ranchers to employ their children and a gun may be needed as part of his work.

[Grinning Dragon]

A child is still afforded their enumerated Constitutional Rights, and the 2nd Amendment is one of those Rights, as much as their Right to Free Speech.
I myself couldn't wait till my kids showed maturity and were old enough to go to the range with me, till then it was lots of shooting BB guns in the backyard.

Well I just hope you got a warrant before you went in their rooms....

I got around that by removing the door to each room.

[Fartsniffage]

Well I just hope you got a warrant before you went in their rooms....

I got around that by removing the door to each room.

....i bet that was an experience if you had teenage sons.

[Spirit of Hope]

There's no reason a child needs a gun that is legally theirs. My child "owns" guns, but it's not legally hers, it's mine.

The check takes a handful of minutes, the ten day wait is simply a legally enforced wait period, they know before you leave the store on day one rather you've passed or not.

In rural areas it is common practice for farmers and Ranchers to employ their children and a gun may be needed as part of his work.

The parent can own that gun while allowing the child to use it. I don't think anyone is saying a child can't use a gun, just that legally the gun would not belong to the child and instead would be the parents property. Under most circumstances the ownership of the gun would make little difference here until the child is 18, at which point the child can now take legal ownership.

[Grinning Dragon]

I got around that by removing the door to each room.

....i bet that was an experience if you had teenage sons.

[Telconi]

There's no reason a child needs a gun that is legally theirs. My child "owns" guns, but it's not legally hers, it's mine.

The check takes a handful of minutes, the ten day wait is simply a legally enforced wait period, they know before you leave the store on day one rather you've passed or not.

Hmm, if they know why the 10 day wait?

Yes it would mean that, but it would also mean any sale wouldn't have to go through a FFL, or something similar, who would almost certainly charge and/or would require going to them which could be out of the way.



Not directed at me, but my answer would be that under 18 you can't own a gun, it would have to technically be your parents gun. When you turn 18 your parents do the background check and then they can give it to you.

Not sure I would trust parents to do the background check.

It's just a thing. They call it a "cooling off period" it''s supposedly intended to prevent someone from getting angry or upset and storming off to the gun store, buying a gun, and In a rage committing homicide, or in a crisis commitng suicide.

[Greed and Death]

In rural areas it is common practice for farmers and Ranchers to employ their children and a gun may be needed as part of his work.

The parent can own that gun while allowing the child to use it. I don't think anyone is saying a child can't use a gun, just that legally the gun would not belong to the child and instead would be the parents property. Under most circumstances the ownership of the gun would make little difference here until the child is 18, at which point the child can now take legal ownership.

If they are working independently for 8+ hours at a time without issue I see no issue with them having legal title to the weapon just like any other piece of personal property.

[Ifreann]

Children are denied plenty of rights due to their age. Or do you want 6 year olds voting?

A six year old can't understand economic policy. They can understand "this is dangerous, it is not a toy, don't touch it without Mom or Dad around"

A 70 year old can't understand economic policy. And he's the President.

[Fartsniffage]

The parent can own that gun while allowing the child to use it. I don't think anyone is saying a child can't use a gun, just that legally the gun would not belong to the child and instead would be the parents property. Under most circumstances the ownership of the gun would make little difference here until the child is 18, at which point the child can now take legal ownership.

If they are working independently for 8+ hours at a time without issue I see no issue with them having legal title to the weapon just like any other piece of personal property.

If children are working 8 hours+ at a time then I would hope other laws would come into play.....

[Neutraligon]

Hmm, if they know why the 10 day wait?


Not sure I would trust parents to do the background check.

It's just a thing. They call it a "cooling off period" it''s supposedly intended to prevent someone from getting angry or upset and storming off to the gun store, buying a gun, and In a rage committing homicide, or in a crisis commitng suicide.

I can see a small wait period to prevent things like suicide. 10 days does seem a bit much though.

[Spirit of Hope]

The parent can own that gun while allowing the child to use it. I don't think anyone is saying a child can't use a gun, just that legally the gun would not belong to the child and instead would be the parents property. Under most circumstances the ownership of the gun would make little difference here until the child is 18, at which point the child can now take legal ownership.

If they are working independently for 8+ hours at a time without issue I see no issue with them having legal title to the weapon just like any other piece of personal property.

Except it comes with the ability to transfer that property to another without parental oversight, and if they can legally own it in my book they should be able to legally buy it, and I am not ok with minors being able to buy guns without parental oversight. If the parents trust them to handle the gun, that is up to the parents. When the child turns 18 they can take legal possession and do with their property as they see fit.

[Grinning Dragon]

If they are working independently for 8+ hours at a time without issue I see no issue with them having legal title to the weapon just like any other piece of personal property.

If children are working 8 hours+ at a time then I would hope other laws would come into play.....

Kids on family ranches/farms put in long hours. Back a 100yrs ago when I was in school, there were quite a few of my classmates that right after school they were out pulling their share of the work load, sometimes during the fall they would be absent from school for a week or two due to harvest time.

[Neutraligon]

Since many seem to think those below 18 should not be able to own a gun but should be able to use one, should they have to go through the training necessary (use, safety all that jazz) to be allowed to use the gun?

[Spirit of Hope]

Since many seem to think those below 18 should not be able to own a gun but should be able to use one, should they have to go through the training necessary (use, safety all that jazz) to be allowed to use the gun?

Nope, parental discretion. Accidents with guns are incredibly uncommon, which is why I tend to look down on the idea of requiring training to own/use a firearm. I'm ok with training for hunting though.

[Grinning Dragon]

Since many seem to think those below 18 should not be able to own a gun but should be able to use one, should they have to go through the training necessary (use, safety all that jazz) to be allowed to use the gun?

I would never pass a firearm to my kids without training and education, ultimately it is my job as a parent to educate and train my kids. I would also like to see firearm training reintroduced back into the school system as well.

[Telconi]

Since many seem to think those below 18 should not be able to own a gun but should be able to use one, should they have to go through the training necessary (use, safety all that jazz) to be allowed to use the gun?

I'd say parental discretion and responsibility is important. I was allowed to use firearms as a child, by about 10 years old I had access to the guns on my own. My family had effectively trained me when and how to use them by ten though, and I have never even come close to accidentail harming someone.

[Neutraligon]

Since most people are saying parental discretion, does that mean the parent is liable should the child do something?

[Telconi]

Since most people are saying parental discretion, does that mean the parent is liable should the child do something?

Yes.

[Spirit of Hope]

Since most people are saying parental discretion, does that mean the parent is liable should the child do something?

Yep.