Gun Control

[Grinning Dragon]

Oh god she's an idiot, I really didn't like her in Kingsman the Golden Circle. Wanted to punch her.

Makes millions of dollars starring in an action movie with a lot of guns.

Cries about how gun control is a societal and moral issue.

What the actual fuck?

Didn't you know, once they star in films with firearms, they become de facto firearms experts and therefore believe they know what they are talking about.
Same with Liam Neeson and Stalone, etc.

[Big Jim P]

Got a good laugh over gun grabber talking points as some where trying to be a gun grabber with their inane talking points and just shows just how unhinged and comical those talking points are.

It also got me to wonder. Do gun control fascists, sit back and look over what has been said or written and see just how comically unhinged those words are?

I mean, there have been times, like those of the DeLeon and his ghost gun fantasy, and just shook my head and said wow, just wow this guy is a fucking dipshit.

Another one to add to the gun control meme is one from dumbass fmr, surgeon general, Jocelyn Elders "We need safer guns and safer bullets"

What's really fuuny is that the gun-grabbers think they are being serious.

Even funnier is that they expect us to take them seriously.

[Thermodolia]

Makes millions of dollars starring in an action movie with a lot of guns.

Cries about how gun control is a societal and moral issue.

What the actual fuck?

Didn't you know, once they star in films with firearms, they become de facto firearms experts and therefore believe they know what they are talking about.
Same with Liam Neeson and Stalone, etc.

At least they are good actors

[Telconi]

Got a good laugh over gun grabber talking points as some where trying to be a gun grabber with their inane talking points and just shows just how unhinged and comical those talking points are.

It also got me to wonder. Do gun control fascists, sit back and look over what has been said or written and see just how comically unhinged those words are?

I mean, there have been times, like those of the DeLeon and his ghost gun fantasy, and just shook my head and said wow, just wow this guy is a fucking dipshit.

Another one to add to the gun control meme is one from dumbass fmr, surgeon general, Jocelyn Elders "We need safer guns and safer bullets"

What's really fuuny is that the gun-grabbers think they are being serious.

Even funnier is that they expect us to take them seriously.

What isn't funny, and is in fact frightening. Is people actually do take them seriously, and then those same people go and vote.

[Thermodolia]

Got a good laugh over gun grabber talking points as some where trying to be a gun grabber with their inane talking points and just shows just how unhinged and comical those talking points are.

It also got me to wonder. Do gun control fascists, sit back and look over what has been said or written and see just how comically unhinged those words are?

I mean, there have been times, like those of the DeLeon and his ghost gun fantasy, and just shook my head and said wow, just wow this guy is a fucking dipshit.

Another one to add to the gun control meme is one from dumbass fmr, surgeon general, Jocelyn Elders "We need safer guns and safer bullets"

What's really fuuny is that the gun-grabbers think they are being serious.

Even funnier is that they expect us to take them seriously.

I have to get my humor some how.

[The Two Jerseys]

What's really fuuny is that the gun-grabbers think they are being serious.

Even funnier is that they expect us to take them seriously.

What isn't funny, and is in fact frightening. Is people actually do take them seriously, and then those same people go and vote.

There's nothing wrong with voters falling for the lies told by some Hollywood hack.

But when voters fall for the lies told by some Russian on the internet, then we suddenly have a problem...

[Sovaal]

Oh god she's an idiot, I really didn't like her in Kingsman the Golden Circle. Wanted to punch her.

Makes millions of dollars starring in an action movie with a lot of guns.

Cries about how gun control is a societal and moral issue.

What the actual fuck?

You expect honest and consistency from Hollywood?

[Ifreann]

Oh god she's an idiot, I really didn't like her in Kingsman the Golden Circle. Wanted to punch her.

Yeah, shes a dumbass, no wonder she's a spokes-moron for everyloosertown and I agree I didn't like her in Kingsman either. She's a second rate actress and sucks at her craft imo.

This thread has really gone to a great place.

[Sovaal]

Yeah, shes a dumbass, no wonder she's a spokes-moron for everyloosertown and I agree I didn't like her in Kingsman either. She's a second rate actress and sucks at her craft imo.

This thread has really gone to a great place.

All roads lead to Rome mass media.

[Wysten]

This thread has really gone to a great place.

All roads lead to Rome mass media.

I dont know it feels a bit empty without Keshi we got to have a anti gun fanatic in this in order to spice things up.

[Len Hyet]

All roads lead to Rome mass media.

I dont know it feels a bit empty without Keshi we got to have a anti gun fanatic in this in order to spice things up.

Speak for yourself he always spiked my blood pressure

[Farnhamia]

Well, it being a federal amnesty, it would trump pretty much every single Assault Weapon Ban law in California. No take-backs.

In which case I'd just happen to stub my toe on a crate full of drop-in auto-shears of AR-15s.

State law can be stricter, while the federal government may have amnesty states can still prosecute violations of state level machine gun bans.

Actress Julianne Moore argued Thursday on The Crowing Hen House “The View” that gun control and gun rights are not “a Second Amendment issue.”

Christ, what a dumb cunt. Of course it's a 2nd Amendment issue, duh.

TIL Decades ago I learned: gun grabbers are stupid people.

*** Warned for trolling. ***

[Tule]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals, muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns) should be legally required to be kept locked up at a shooting range whenever not in use and should only be allowed to be used at said shooting range. Transportation authorization could be applied for when the shooter has to compete internationally or move to a new shooting range.

Gun homicide in the US is overwhelmingly driven by handguns used to settle disputes. Yes, that includes gang violence.¹, ², ³

America is not unusual when it comes to crime in any other respect. Non-gun murder rates aren't abnormally high compared to the western world. Neither are burglary rates, drug use and sales, rape, unarmed assault rates etc.

The only reason for the high rate of homicide in the US is the lightly restricted access to handguns, resulting in a huge pool of legal handguns that leaks guns into the black market. Young insecure gang members do not make their Hi-points and Rugers in underground factories. The problem originates with easy access to legal handguns.

You are not going to overthrow the government with a handgun. You can defend your home with a rifle (Marines clear houses with M16's, not pistols) and the only reason you would conceivably have to carry a gun in public as an average citizen is to shoot at criminals who only got their gun as a result of impotent gun laws in the first place.

Of course, the person most likely to shoot you is yourself, followed by your friends and family members.
So if you want to protect yourself from getting shot, giving the people most likely to shoot you a handgun is not a good idea.

[Valgora]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals, muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns) should be legally required to be kept locked up at a shooting range whenever not in use and should only be allowed to be used at said shooting range. Transportation authorization could be applied for when the shooter has to compete internationally or move to a new shooting range.

Gun homicide in the US is overwhelmingly driven by handguns used to settle disputes. Yes, that includes gang violence.¹, ², ³

America is not unusual when it comes to crime in any other respect. Non-gun murder rates aren't abnormally high compared to the western world. Neither are burglary rates, drug use and sales, rape, unarmed assault rates etc.

The only reason for the high rate of homicide in the US is the lightly restricted access to handguns, resulting in a huge pool of legal handguns that leaks guns into the black market. Young insecure gang members do not make their Hi-points and Rugers in underground factories. The problem originates with easy access to legal handguns.

You are not going to overthrow the government with a handgun. You can defend your home with a rifle (Marines clear houses with M16's, not pistols) and the only reason you would conceivably have to carry a gun in public as an average citizen is to shoot at criminals who only got their gun as a result of impotent gun laws in the first place.

Of course, the person most likely to shoot you is yourself, followed by your friends and family members.
So if you want to protect yourself from getting shot, giving the people most likely to shoot you a handgun is not a good idea.

The thing is... handguns are easy to use in close spaces, thus making them useful for defending your home from an intruder.
Plus, they are good for self-defense if someone tries anything.

I don't think handguns should be that heavily regulated (if they are to be regulated).

[Sovaal]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals,

Most people just use regular handguns for this.

muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns)

And what caliber would that be?

should be legally required to be kept locked up at a shooting range whenever not in use and should only be allowed to be used at said shooting range.

Not going to happen.

Transportation authorization could be applied for when the shooter has to compete internationally or move to a new shooting range.

Again, not going to happen.

Gun homicide in the US is overwhelmingly driven by handguns used to settle disputes. Yes, that includes gang violence.¹, ², ³

Problem is, even if such laws are passed, there are already enough handguns in circulation, let alone other concealble firearms, that it wouldn't help anything.\, nor is it going to get much support.

America is not unusual when it comes to crime in any other respect. Non-gun murder rates aren't abnormally high compared to the western world. Neither are burglary rates, drug use and sales, rape, unarmed assault rates etc.

The only reason for the high rate of homicide in the US is the lightly restricted access to handguns, resulting in a huge pool of legal handguns that leaks guns into the black market. Young insecure gang members do not make their Hi-points and Rugers in underground factories. The problem originates with easy access to legal handguns.

The problem is that their is already a large pool of them already floating about.

You are not going to overthrow the government with a handgun. You can defend your home with a rifle (Marines clear houses with M16's, not pistols) and the only reason you would conceivably have to carry a gun in public as an average citizen is to shoot at criminals who only got their gun as a result of impotent gun laws in the first place.

I don't know about you, but gun>knife. and, as said, even if I agreed in principal (which I don't) there are already to many illegal handguns out there to make a difference.

Of course, the person most likely to shoot you is yourself, followed by your friends and family members.

Just like how you're more likely to die in a car accident if you own a car.

So if you want to protect yourself from getting shot, giving the people most likely to shoot you a handgun is not a good idea.

It's not going to work.

[Valgora]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals,

Most people just use regular handguns for this.

muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns)

And what caliber would that be?

A .500 magnum maybe?

Although, I've heard that it is horrible to shoot.

[Cekoviu]

The Second Amendment was a mistake.
Seriously, Australia barely has any guns and they're in great condition. Some people don't seem to realize that guns are not basic necessities.

[Valgora]

The Second Amendment was a mistake.
Seriously, Australia barely has any guns and they're in great condition. Some people don't seem to realize that guns are not basic necessities.

I'm surprised Australia doesn't have a version of the US's Second Amendment. Considering the fact that what is considered a giant bug by everyone, is considered a normal sized bug to an Australian.
Not only that, but most of the wildlife there is trying to kill them.

Australia, where the only thing not trying to kill you, are volcanos.



And the 2nd Amendment was not a mistake.
- A lot of hunting happens in the US
- People have the right to defend themselves; both from other people and the government
- It's really fun to shoot a gun

[Tule]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals, muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns) should be legally required to be kept locked up at a shooting range whenever not in use and should only be allowed to be used at said shooting range. Transportation authorization could be applied for when the shooter has to compete internationally or move to a new shooting range.

Gun homicide in the US is overwhelmingly driven by handguns used to settle disputes. Yes, that includes gang violence.¹, ², ³

America is not unusual when it comes to crime in any other respect. Non-gun murder rates aren't abnormally high compared to the western world. Neither are burglary rates, drug use and sales, rape, unarmed assault rates etc.

The only reason for the high rate of homicide in the US is the lightly restricted access to handguns, resulting in a huge pool of legal handguns that leaks guns into the black market. Young insecure gang members do not make their Hi-points and Rugers in underground factories. The problem originates with easy access to legal handguns.

You are not going to overthrow the government with a handgun. You can defend your home with a rifle (Marines clear houses with M16's, not pistols) and the only reason you would conceivably have to carry a gun in public as an average citizen is to shoot at criminals who only got their gun as a result of impotent gun laws in the first place.

Of course, the person most likely to shoot you is yourself, followed by your friends and family members.
So if you want to protect yourself from getting shot, giving the people most likely to shoot you a handgun is not a good idea.

The thing is... handguns are easy to use in close spaces, thus making them useful for defending your home from an intruder.
Plus, they are good for self-defense if someone tries anything.

I don't think handguns should be that heavily regulated (if they are to be regulated).

The average house does not have spaces that close. Why do you think SWAT teams use rifles when they breach houses? They could easily enter with handguns drawn if they preferred but they don't.

Again, the gun most likely to kill you is the gun you own. Self-defence gun is an oxymoron.

[Thermodolia]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals, muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns) should be legally required to be kept locked up at a shooting range whenever not in use and should only be allowed to be used at said shooting range. Transportation authorization could be applied for when the shooter has to compete internationally or move to a new shooting range.

Fuck that. I use my Taurus .380 ACP for defending myself in my truck, my S&W M&P 9mm is used for home defense/carry, while my S&W .357 Long Barrel Revolver is used for home defense.

The only reason for the high rate of homicide in the US is the lightly restricted access to handguns, resulting in a huge pool of legal handguns that leaks guns into the black market. Young insecure gang members do not make their Hi-points and Rugers in underground factories. The problem originates with easy access to legal handguns.

And how did the war on drugs work out?

You are not going to overthrow the government with a handgun.

Nobody wants to overthrow the government but prevent them from going nuts

You can defend your home with a rifle (Marines clear houses with M16's, not pistols)

Ya the reason is not for defense but offense. M16s are offensive weapons not defensive. Marines also carry pistols, 9mm I think.

and the only reason you would conceivably have to carry a gun in public as an average citizen is to shoot at criminals who only got their gun as a result of impotent gun laws in the first place.

Or because they had a knife, where high on drugs, or where a threat.

Of course, the person most likely to shoot you is yourself, followed by your friends and family members.
So if you want to protect yourself from getting shot, giving the people most likely to shoot you a handgun is not a good idea.

Only happens if your some kinda of idiot or if you have serious mental health issues.

[Valgora]

The thing is... handguns are easy to use in close spaces, thus making them useful for defending your home from an intruder.
Plus, they are good for self-defense if someone tries anything.

I don't think handguns should be that heavily regulated (if they are to be regulated).

The average house does not have spaces that close. Why do you think SWAT teams use rifles when they breach houses? They could easily enter with handguns drawn if they preferred but they don't.

Again, the gun most likely to kill you is the gun you own. Self-defence gun is an oxymoron.

So you want me to use a... for example an AR-15 to defend my home from an intruder.
Ok.

Couple of bangs later.

Well I got the intruder, however, the rounds went through the fucking wall and could have hit anything I wouldn't want fuckin' shot.

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And self-defense is not an oxymoron. If you don't know how to use a gun, something like that may happen. However, if someone practices using their firearms, the chances of them shooting themselves is much lower.

[Tule]

Here is a radical suggestion:

Handguns (with the exception of single-shot handguns designed for culling animals,

Most people just use regular handguns for this.

muzzle loading handguns, and large caliber hunting handguns)

And what caliber would that be?

should be legally required to be kept locked up at a shooting range whenever not in use and should only be allowed to be used at said shooting range.

Not going to happen.

Transportation authorization could be applied for when the shooter has to compete internationally or move to a new shooting range.

Again, not going to happen.

Gun homicide in the US is overwhelmingly driven by handguns used to settle disputes. Yes, that includes gang violence.¹, ², ³

Problem is, even if such laws are passed, there are already enough handguns in circulation, let alone other concealble firearms, that it wouldn't help anything.\, nor is it going to get much support.

America is not unusual when it comes to crime in any other respect. Non-gun murder rates aren't abnormally high compared to the western world. Neither are burglary rates, drug use and sales, rape, unarmed assault rates etc.

The only reason for the high rate of homicide in the US is the lightly restricted access to handguns, resulting in a huge pool of legal handguns that leaks guns into the black market. Young insecure gang members do not make their Hi-points and Rugers in underground factories. The problem originates with easy access to legal handguns.

The problem is that their is already a large pool of them already floating about.

You are not going to overthrow the government with a handgun. You can defend your home with a rifle (Marines clear houses with M16's, not pistols) and the only reason you would conceivably have to carry a gun in public as an average citizen is to shoot at criminals who only got their gun as a result of impotent gun laws in the first place.

I don't know about you, but gun>knife. and, as said, even if I agreed in principal (which I don't) there are already to many illegal handguns out there to make a difference.

Of course, the person most likely to shoot you is yourself, followed by your friends and family members.

Just like how you're more likely to die in a car accident if you own a car.

So if you want to protect yourself from getting shot, giving the people most likely to shoot you a handgun is not a good idea.

It's not going to work.

The point of a car is to get you from A to B.
The point of a handgun is to make yourself safer, which for the average person does the opposite. Defeating the purpose of the handgun.

Guns can be removed from circulation. If legal access is restricted, the flow of guns from the legal to the illegal market slows to a trickle. Slowly the number of illegal handguns diminishes as police frisk more criminals and raid more houses in unrelated crimes and eventually replacing lost handguns becomes too difficult to risk carrying/leaving them around so they hide them where they can't access them.

These things can happen with the political will.

[Cekoviu]

The Second Amendment was a mistake.
Seriously, Australia barely has any guns and they're in great condition. Some people don't seem to realize that guns are not basic necessities.

I'm surprised Australia doesn't have a version of the US's Second Amendment. Considering the fact that what is considered a giant bug by everyone, is considered a normal sized bug to an Australian.
Not only that, but most of the wildlife there is trying to kill them.

Australia, where the only thing not trying to kill you, are volcanos.



And the 2nd Amendment was not a mistake.
- A lot of hunting happens in the US
- People have the right to defend themselves; both from other people and the government
- It's really fun to shoot a gun

I own tarantulas and various other large arachnids and insects, so a normal-sized bug to me is probably bigger than it is to Australians. Don't think you need guns for hunting giant bugs when some diatomaceous earth does the trick, though.
"A lot of hunting happens in the US" - this is a bad thing anyway
"People have the right to defend themselves; both from other people and the government" - why would they need guns to defend themselves if nobody (except people who have undergone rigorous mental testing) has a gun?
"It's really fun to shoot a gun" - can't argue with that, but we don't get to do everything that's fun here in the US anyway. Some would argue that public sex is fun, and that's not legal.

[Thermodolia]

The thing is... handguns are easy to use in close spaces, thus making them useful for defending your home from an intruder.
Plus, they are good for self-defense if someone tries anything.

I don't think handguns should be that heavily regulated (if they are to be regulated).

The average house does not have spaces that close. Why do you think SWAT teams use rifles when they breach houses? They could easily enter with handguns drawn if they preferred but they don't.

Again, the gun most likely to kill you is the gun you own. Self-defence gun is an oxymoron.

Ya the reason why SWAT uses rifles, as their main weapon, is that it's an offensive weapon. Rifles carry more ammunition than a pistol and rifles are better at handling automatic fire than a pistol. Both of which are necessary for clearing a building.

Next time don't talk out of your ass in a thread that is frequented by active duty military, veterans, and police.

[Telconi]

The Second Amendment was a mistake.
Seriously, Australia barely has any guns and they're in great condition. Some people don't seem to realize that guns are not basic necessities.

They are a basic human right, any and all attempts to deprive a population of it's rights should be opposed.