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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:56 pm

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Len Hyet wrote:I'm fairly sure he'd have to read a book to find the original signal so I think we'll be spared the butchery.


Is it odd that the concept of not reading books is one that leaves me perplexed and fearing for children these days?

Trust me. Some of us still love reading.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:58 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:I'm fairly sure he'd have to read a book to find the original signal so I think we'll be spared the butchery.


Is it odd that the concept of not reading books is one that leaves me perplexed and fearing for children these days?

Nope. Believe me I'm the same.

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Len Hyet wrote:As has been explained numerous times to you the meaning of the words well-regulated in the late 18th century meant "properly functioning".


That still means that the government can set limitations to make them "function properly".

Nope. Try again.

In fact, I'm going to put you on your own 20, but I'll give you first down and ten because I'm generous. Now bear in mind further logical fouls will result in the opposition scoring on you.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:58 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:As has been explained numerous times to you the meaning of the words well-regulated in the late 18th century meant "properly functioning".


That still means that the government can set limitations to make them "function properly".


Wrong...
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:02 pm

What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:03 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?

This is one of those things you can learn for yourself by, gasp reading! Books even!
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:05 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?


The one Militia that I'm familiar with is cleared by the local Sheriff Dept to perform not only search and rescue, but perform other civil protection duties (much like Civil Defense in the 60's) during localized emergencies.

Granted, it took several years to get to that point though both legally and socially acceptable.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:05 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Is it odd that the concept of not reading books is one that leaves me perplexed and fearing for children these days?

Nope. Believe me I'm the same.

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
That still means that the government can set limitations to make them "function properly".

Nope. Try again.

In fact, I'm going to put you on your own 20, but I'll give you first down and ten because I'm generous. Now bear in mind further logical fouls will result in the opposition scoring on you.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:05 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?


They can train and practice various skills. Some do volunteer work during emergencies.

In any event, all able-bodies adult citizens are part of the militia, so, anything a citizen can do.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:05 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?

Shots heard around the world?
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:06 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?


We do public functions. Pro bono security (we did LA Pride last year). Various other functions. Charities, etc.

Edit: Phone changed "LA Pride" to "LA Prude" whish is not accurate. :lol:
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:07 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:Nope. Believe me I'm the same.


Nope. Try again.

In fact, I'm going to put you on your own 20, but I'll give you first down and ten because I'm generous. Now bear in mind further logical fouls will result in the opposition scoring on you.

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:08 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:What legal power do the militias have? Like can they do anything other than just show off their guns without breaking the law?


They can train and practice various skills. Some do volunteer work during emergencies.

In any event, all able-bodies adult citizens are part of the militia, so, anything a citizen can do.


Yep as I thought they do not have the power to enforce laws, or act like an army thus the government regulates and can shut them down if they try any of that stuff. Like the Bundy crew.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:09 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
They can train and practice various skills. Some do volunteer work during emergencies.

In any event, all able-bodies adult citizens are part of the militia, so, anything a citizen can do.


Yep as I thought they do not have the power to enforce laws, or act like an army thus the government regulates and can shut them down if they try any of that stuff. Like the Bundy crew.


Sure do, just like any other citizen.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:09 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
They can train and practice various skills. Some do volunteer work during emergencies.

In any event, all able-bodies adult citizens are part of the militia, so, anything a citizen can do.


Yep as I thought they do not have the power to enforce laws, or act like an army thus the government regulates and can shut them down if they try any of that stuff. Like the Bundy crew.


......

That literally what nobody here just said.

Seriously, fucking try harder.
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Postby Telconi » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:10 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Yep as I thought they do not have the power to enforce laws, or act like an army thus the government regulates and can shut them down if they try any of that stuff. Like the Bundy crew.


Nice cherry pick, overlooking the half dozen other people saying that they can (and do) in various places.

Seriously, fucking try harder.


Or don't. Your infantile stabs at logic are amusing.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:10 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
They can train and practice various skills. Some do volunteer work during emergencies.

In any event, all able-bodies adult citizens are part of the militia, so, anything a citizen can do.


Yep as I thought they do not have the power to enforce laws, or act like an army thus the government regulates and can shut them down if they try any of that stuff. Like the Bundy crew.

Nobody claimed that militias were the Police.

I'm going to have to charge you with

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That's an offensive foul, 10 yard penalty, 2nd down.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:19 pm

MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:20 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.


I very much doubt that only ONE militia exists in MD.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:22 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
They can train and practice various skills. Some do volunteer work during emergencies.

In any event, all able-bodies adult citizens are part of the militia, so, anything a citizen can do.


Yep as I thought they do not have the power to enforce laws, or act like an army thus the government regulates and can shut them down if they try any of that stuff. Like the Bundy crew.


Citizens do have the power to enforce laws.

What do you mean ""act like an army"? Field and marksmanship training maybe? :lol:

The government can and the militia can resist.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:23 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.

And who the fuck cares?
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:24 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.

Maryland Title 13, Subtitle 2, § 13-202

(a) Membership.- Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, the militia consists of able-bodied individuals who are:
(1) citizens of the State;
(2) citizens of the United States who take an oath of allegiance to the State;

And

Maryland Title 13, Subtitle 2, § 13-202

(c) Unorganized militia.- The unorganized militia consists of those individuals described under § 13-202 of this subtitle but who are not regularly enlisted or commissioned in the organized militia.

Guess what Keshi, you're in the militia.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:24 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.


I very much doubt that only ONE militia exists in MD.

I'm a MD resident, and I'm in a militia that isn't the State Guard...
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:26 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.


MD is also known for being one of the most unreasonable and restrictive states, regularly infringing on the rights of its citizens.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:26 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I very much doubt that only ONE militia exists in MD.

I'm a MD resident, and I'm in a militia that isn't the State Guard...

Would national guard count as militia as well
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:26 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:MD has one militia the state guard who is under the control of the governor. Private Militias are banned. Anyone age 17-45 can serve in the state guard.


MD is also known for being one of the most unreasonable and restrictive states, regularly infringing on the rights of its citizens.

Mineasota is worse. Trust me I lived there.
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