Gun Control

[The New California Republic]

Keshi thinks you can fire a gun without a magazine.

You actually can. If a round is chambered and you remove the magazine, then the gun can still be fired. That is why when you are making a gun "safe" you need to remember to eject the round in the chamber as well (by pulling the slide back in the case of a semi-auto pistol).

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

Tfw the Girandoni air rifle could hold 20 rounds and was invented in 1780.
Tfw the last signer of the Constitution to die also died just 4 years before the invention of the revolver

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Keshi thinks you can fire a gun without a magazine.

You actually can. If a round is chambered and you remove the magazine, then the gun can still be fired. That is why when you are making a gun "safe" you need to remember to eject the round in the chamber as well (by pulling the slide back in the case of a semi-auto pistol).

Open bolt magazine-less firing is more fun and less safe.

[Galloism]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

Just fucking stop. Stop pretending you understand the 2nd, or any other amendment. Because you don't.

I mean, the first wasn't written with the internet, television, or amplified sound in mind.

[Gig em Aggies]

You actually can. If a round is chambered and you remove the magazine, then the gun can still be fired. That is why when you are making a gun "safe" you need to remember to eject the round in the chamber as well (by pulling the slide back in the case of a semi-auto pistol).

Open bolt magazine-less firing is more fun and less safe.

Until it blows up in your face. Then become the star of villain of a Batman movie.

[Telconi]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

And what was our response to this statement 300 pages ago?

First off, I highly doubt men with often times military backgrounds were unaware that the muskets of their day were superior to the arquebus of years prior. Could they foresee plastic framed auto-loading pistols with metallic cartridges firing armor piercing composite bullets with laser sights on them? Probably not. But they weren't stupid, they had to know that the smoothbore single shot muzzle loading musket would not be the pinnacle of firearms technology forever.

Secondly, to address the question posed, It is held in such esteem simply because it can be changed. If there was no provision in the constitution for the repeal of amendments, then some would fall out of favor and be un-enforced relics. However, because the capacity to repeal amendments, or even articles, of our constitution, exists. Anything that is currently present is by that very nature not a relic of bygone times. If it were, it would have been simply struck from the document and we'd be done with it.

It is enough, that is literally the function of a constitution. It represents the will of the people of this country to have that freedom protected. Just like the first amendment is enough to stop the government from shutting down newspapers, or the fourth is enough to stop warrantless searches.

MFW I'm cited by someone as some sort of authority...

Also, where is the word 'musket' in the 2A?

[Greater Cesnica]

Keshi thinks you can fire a gun without a magazine.

You actually can. If a round is chambered and you remove the magazine, then the gun can still be fired. That is why when you are making a gun "safe" you need to remember to eject the round in the chamber as well (by pulling the slide back in the case of a semi-auto pistol).

No I mean unchambered. He thinks that.

[The New California Republic]

You actually can. If a round is chambered and you remove the magazine, then the gun can still be fired. That is why when you are making a gun "safe" you need to remember to eject the round in the chamber as well (by pulling the slide back in the case of a semi-auto pistol).

No I mean unchambered. He thinks that.

Yeah, well that certainly isn't true, so I agree with you. How would it even be possible to fire a gun with no bullets in it, by saying a prayer and a lot of wishful thinking??

[Grinning Dragon]

Just fucking stop. Stop pretending you understand the 2nd, or any other amendment. Because you don't.

I mean, the first wasn't written with the internet, television, or amplified sound in mind.

So the internet, TV and amplified sound is the equivalent to an Assault 1st Amendment Weapon?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Open bolt magazine-less firing is more fun and less safe.

Until it blows up in your face. Then become the star of villain of a Batman movie.

-Gun designed from the beginng to function near-flawlessly from an out-of-battery position when you pull the trigger.

-Gun blowing up in face

Wut?

I've already gone at-length what happens in an M1A1 Thompson when the firing-pin mechanism somehow malfs and detonates the primer prematurely, it chucks a lot more junk out the ejection-port, fails to cycle, and usually squibs the bullet somewhere down the bore. The feeling of this is typically so abnormal you're going to want to check out what shenanigans your firearm has been up to today.... maybe it picked up AIDS?

[Valgora]

Just fucking stop. Stop pretending you understand the 2nd, or any other amendment. Because you don't.

I mean, the first wasn't written with the internet, television, or amplified sound in mind.

On the topic of the 2nd Amendment, to say that it was written for muskets and similar weapons as an argument is kinda stupid. While the founding fathers might have never conceived of there being guns such as the AR-15, they were smart enough to know that weapons would change overtime; therefore, the 2nd Amendment was written with the idea that firearms are going to change.

[The New California Republic]

I mean, the first wasn't written with the internet, television, or amplified sound in mind.

On the topic of the 2nd Amendment, to say that it was written for muskets and similar weapons as an argument is kinda stupid. While the founding fathers might have never conceived of there being guns such as the AR-15, they were smart enough to know that weapons would change overtime; therefore, the 2nd Amendment was written with the idea that firearms are going to change.

Exactly. The Founding Fathers were smart cookies, they would have known that technology changes over time, they would have to be exceptionally dumb to not realize that fact.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I mean, the first wasn't written with the internet, television, or amplified sound in mind.

On the topic of the 2nd Amendment, to say that it was written for muskets and similar weapons as an argument is kinda stupid. While the founding fathers might have never conceived of there being guns such as the AR-15, they were smart enough to know that weapons would change overtime; therefore, the 2nd Amendment was written with the idea that firearms are going to change.

Or in such a way that as the goal is to ensure competancy with firearms and all other manners of weapons, warfare, and fortifications... that the second ammendment is more of a method than a technique to achieve a stated goal within the bill itself.

Notice how the bill fails to tell us we need to shoot in three ranks deep or "form squares" and fix bayonets to defend against Tarleton Jr's cavalry-charges.

[Kernen]

Saying that the constitution only applies to muskets is relying on Originalism, which places people in the company of Scalia in terms of constitutional interpretation. Its funny to see so many Living Constitution interpreters make this argument.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I mean, the first wasn't written with the internet, television, or amplified sound in mind.

On the topic of the 2nd Amendment, to say that it was written for muskets and similar weapons as an argument is kinda stupid. While the founding fathers might have never conceived of there being guns such as the AR-15, they were smart enough to know that weapons would change overtime; therefore, the 2nd Amendment was written with the idea that firearms are going to change.

The Founding Fathers were probably well-aware that advanced weapons like the AR-15 would come to be. Firearm technology had already progressed greatly in the course of their lifetimes. Now, the Internet and television? I think that would probably blow their minds beyond belief.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

On the topic of the 2nd Amendment, to say that it was written for muskets and similar weapons as an argument is kinda stupid. While the founding fathers might have never conceived of there being guns such as the AR-15, they were smart enough to know that weapons would change overtime; therefore, the 2nd Amendment was written with the idea that firearms are going to change.

The Founding Fathers were probably well-aware that advanced weapons like the AR-15 would come to be. Firearm technology had already progressed greatly in the course of their lifetimes. Now, the Internet and television? I think that would probably blow their minds beyond belief.

I dunno, Jefferson had this pocket-device that allowed him to instantly sign things in triplicate.

Pocket Lithographs FTW!

And by the time Abe Lincoln became prez.. he started to tweet to his Generals via telegraph... his messeges tended to get a bit snarky... can almost tell when someone was being a bit too cranky...

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

The Founding Fathers were probably well-aware that advanced weapons like the AR-15 would come to be. Firearm technology had already progressed greatly in the course of their lifetimes. Now, the Internet and television? I think that would probably blow their minds beyond belief.

I dunno, Jefferson had this pocket-device that allowed him to instantly sign things in triplicate.

But the concept of every average American having access to the sum of all preserved human knowledge in a device they could hold in their hand? That would be magic to them.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

I dunno, Jefferson had this pocket-device that allowed him to instantly sign things in triplicate.

But the concept of every average American having access to the sum of all preserved human knowledge in a device they could hold in their hand? That would be magic to them.

Library of Congress.

Granted, the device is a building, and is therefore the size of a building... but still...

Personal libraries were also a thing, and were common amongst the educated folk as pimped-out toasters and gaming-PCs are today... except far more eye-catching desktop-bling-bling.

The fact they made such knowledge portable is a neat trick, though. As is an autoloading rifle. But non-portable sums of all human data and non-autoloading rifles generally could and did achieve the same things in their days.

[Kernen]

The founders were smart guys. We can agree that they expected technological development and improvement, but not necessarily the exact results we see today.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

But the concept of every average American having access to the sum of all preserved human knowledge in a device they could hold in their hand? That would be magic to them.

Library of Congress.

Granted, the device is a building, and is therefore the size of a building... but still...

You literally cut out one part of the statement that gets rid of the point of said statement >.>

I'm aware the Library of Congress had a lot of information. Doesn't change the fact that an earthquake in China would not be known to everyone in the world with access to the Internet seconds after it happens.

Not to mention the fact that the LOC was actually quite small and never got its own building until after the Civil War.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Not to mention the fact that the LOC was actually quite small and never got its own building until after the Civil War.

The fact they made such knowledge portable is a neat trick, though. As is an autoloading rifle. But non-portable sums of all human data and non-autoloading rifles generally could and did achieve the same things in and for their days.

^^

No previous mention was made of instant communications, but at the time things were moving quite swiftly what with semaphore-towers, signal lights, morse-code, and the eventual development of the telegraph and trans-atlantic cable. (followed by trans-pacific cables and radio)

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Not to mention the fact that the LOC was actually quite small and never got its own building until after the Civil War.

The fact they made such knowledge portable is a neat trick, though. As is an autoloading rifle. But non-portable sums of all human data and non-autoloading rifles generally could and did achieve the same things in and for their days.

^^

Then what was the point of your statement? I specified "device you could hold in your hand". If you can hold a library of hardcover books in your hand, kudos to you.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

^^

Then what was the point of your statement? I specified "device you could hold in your hand". If you can hold a library of hardcover books in your hand, kudos to you.

Well, how much of that "sum of all human information" do we actually bother to read in a day while studying at school?

Teachers still require you to print everything, right?

... just to spite me you'll got on a 3-day wiki-binge, aren't you?
-Take Keshi with you.

Anyways, I pointed out that although the size of the information-device has changed, and the practical rate of fire of firearms has increased, the function these things hold in society has not changed.

Banning guns because they shoot faster than they did or hold more rounds is like banning cellphones that allow you to store more data and cars that drive faster.
-Because the last two combined tend to kill more people than the first one.

[Tule]

All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have is it to much to ask?

I don't think you'll be getting what you want.

As of 2014 there were 329,100 people in Iceland, of which 31,322 had a license to own a firearm.

72,640 firearms are registered. The actual number is likely to be much higher as registration wasn't a thing at the national level until 1998. There are a lot of leftover WW2 weapons in circulation that never got registered, as are long guns that weren't registered when the gun laws were changed and smuggled weapons from Greenland back when tariffs on guns were much higher than today.
Approximately 13,000 registered firearms are semi-automatic, most are shotguns but some are handguns and rifles.

24% of homes have a gun in them, roughly on par with the State of Florida.

We do have strict gun control here, but not to the level you would like I suspect.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Then what was the point of your statement? I specified "device you could hold in your hand". If you can hold a library of hardcover books in your hand, kudos to you.

Well, how much of that "sum of all human information" do we actually bother to read in a day while studying at school?

Teachers still require you to print everything, right?

No... I can email or turn in a USB drive for plenty of my assignments.