Gun Control

[Salandriagado]

You can't know falsehoods. That's not how that works.

It will be correct if the majority of gun owners vote Republican in 2018. This is the most brazen attack on the people of the US in the history of Congress.

Except, you know, all of the ones that you've suggested.

[The New California Republic]

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Ok, let's go over this again.
Scandinavians and guns. right?
Here's the list of Guns per Capita in the Scandinavian Countries (I'm includin both Iceland and Finland on this list too, because of the close proximity in both culture and geography)
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Sweden: 21 GpC
Norway: 31.3 GpC
Finland 34.2 GpC
Iceland: 30.3 GpC
Denmark: 12 GpC
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The Scandinavian countries each have an average of, at least, 12 guns per person on their land. and this isn't counting their military (not that it's that big a one)

That's per 100k not per person

Wrong, it is per 100.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

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Ok, let's go over this again.
Scandinavians and guns. right?
Here's the list of Guns per Capita in the Scandinavian Countries (I'm includin both Iceland and Finland on this list too, because of the close proximity in both culture and geography)
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Sweden: 21 GpC
Norway: 31.3 GpC
Finland 34.2 GpC
Iceland: 30.3 GpC
Denmark: 12 GpC
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The Scandinavian countries each have an average of, at least, 12 guns per person on their land. and this isn't counting their military (not that it's that big a one)

That's per 100k not per person

Actually, no. It's per 100. Norway, one of your so beloved Scandinavian countries, is ahead of bloody Libya.

[Republic of Keshiland]

That's per 100k not per person

Wrong, it is per 100.

Still much lower then America

[Salandriagado]

I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...

Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns

If you think there are no guns in Scandinavia, you're in for a bit of a shock.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

That's per 100k not per person

um... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Per Capita" mean "Total/population" in economics?

Generally, yes, you would be correct, but that wouldn't provide meaningful numbers in this context. Bangladesh, for instance, would have .005 guns per person.

[The New California Republic]

That's per 100k not per person

Keshiland, you are a fine one to mock others, you have made more factual errors than anybody else on this thread, so it is more than a little hypocritical of you...

[Greater Cesnica]

Oh dear fucking god Keshi is back with his "facts"

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Wrong, it is per 100.

Still much lower then America

And Syria's is 4:100 when compared to the US. What is your point? Is Syria a haven where no one is murdered? Oh wait...

[Xelsis]

Wrong, it is per 100.

Still much lower then America

And still with a significantly higher mass-shooting deaths rate.

[Greater Cesnica]

Still much lower then America

And still with a significantly higher mass-shooting deaths rate.

Well then.

[Republic of Keshiland]

Still much lower then America

And still with a significantly higher mass-shooting deaths rate.

That is not a fair comparison since with just 6 they would out do the US due to the tiny population.

[Thermodolia]

CNN is way better than those sites. By far. Just like Fox News you just need to not listen to the opinion shows

They editorialize quite a bit with the news they focus on, just like Fox News. Outside of reuters, which is somewhat even-handed, I've always just used the News app on my phone to get several different news agencies and just sift through the alarmism and overtly biased articles.

Which is honestly not a bad idea. I just read 6+ different news sources

[Hurtful Thoughts]

That's per 100k not per person

um... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Per Capita" mean "Total/population" in economics?

It does.

Keshi just thinks the C is a roman numeral, and not just an abbreviation of "per capita"/"per person".

This entire page of thread fails economics.

[Greater Cesnica]

um... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Per Capita" mean "Total/population" in economics?

It does.

Keshi just thinks the C is a roman numeral.

Keshi thinks you can fire a gun without a magazine.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

It does.

Keshi just thinks the C is a roman numeral.

Keshi thinks you can fire a gun without a magazine.

Well, you actually can for most service-rifles... Quite a few military PSAs for the AR-15, FN-FAL, and SA-80 actually are quick to point this out.
-There is no magazine-safety/interlock.

Firing an open bolt gun without a mag is an impressive trick... except with a BREN...

[Republic of Keshiland]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

[Holy Tedalonia]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

LOOPHOLE 2017!!!

[Hurtful Thoughts]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

And what was our response to this statement 300 pages ago?

First off, I highly doubt men with often times military backgrounds were unaware that the muskets of their day were superior to the arquebus of years prior. Could they foresee plastic framed auto-loading pistols with metallic cartridges firing armor piercing composite bullets with laser sights on them? Probably not. But they weren't stupid, they had to know that the smoothbore single shot muzzle loading musket would not be the pinnacle of firearms technology forever.

Secondly, to address the question posed, It is held in such esteem simply because it can be changed. If there was no provision in the constitution for the repeal of amendments, then some would fall out of favor and be un-enforced relics. However, because the capacity to repeal amendments, or even articles, of our constitution, exists. Anything that is currently present is by that very nature not a relic of bygone times. If it were, it would have been simply struck from the document and we'd be done with it.

I'm not entirely sure how your first point is relevant other than - yes - the founding fathers may have understood that guns would change. But it's impossible for them to have guessed by what extent. This is simply my guess.

As per your second: that's not the argument I'm making. A lot of rhetoric put out by the NRA is based on the idea that the constitution is enough of a reason to ensure guns stay deregulated. I'm okay with hunting, even recreational shooting. I have guns, have a gun family, all of that. But the foundation of a belief shouldn't be "because."

It is enough, that is literally the function of a constitution. It represents the will of the people of this country to have that freedom protected. Just like the first amendment is enough to stop the government from shutting down newspapers, or the fourth is enough to stop warrantless searches.

[Thermodolia]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

And the first was written for paper and not the internet or tv or radio.

[The New California Republic]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

Irrelevant. Just writing "nuff said" at the end of the sentence doesn't validate your argument...

[Gig em Aggies]

Keshi thinks you can fire a gun without a magazine.

Well, you actually can for most service-rifles... Quite a few military PSAs for the AR-15, FN-FAL, and SA-80 actually are quick to point this out.
-There is no magazine-safety/interlock.

Firing an open bolt gun without a mag is an impressive trick... except with a BREN...

Don't forget about the Chauchat

[Grinning Dragon]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

The 1st A was written for manual printing presses and the quill and ink, nuff said.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Well, you actually can for most service-rifles... Quite a few military PSAs for the AR-15, FN-FAL, and SA-80 actually are quick to point this out.
-There is no magazine-safety/interlock.

Firing an open bolt gun without a mag is an impressive trick... except with a BREN...

Don't forget about the Chauchat

Hence "most service rifles".

I should note that immediately pulling the mag on a misfeed on an open-bolt automatic will usually cause the gun to fire.

[Gun Manufacturers]

The 2A was written for muskets nuff said

Just fucking stop. Stop pretending you understand the 2nd, or any other amendment. Because you don't.