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Am I right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:44 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What on earth are you talking about??


They are taking away NET NEUTRALITY they are GUTTING MEDICARE/MEDICAID/THE MANDATE TO PAY FOR A TAX CUT FOR THE RICH they are RESTORING MINING TO THE NATIONAL PARKS they are


They are doing a lot of crazy thinks just watch CNN everyday.

Nice irrelevant post Keshiland. You can't say any random shit just to distract people from the fact that your argument is collapsing...
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:44 pm

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All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?


Then move to one of those nations. Don't turn the US into an authoritarian hell hole.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:45 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:What on earth are you talking about??


They are taking away NET NEUTRALITY they are GUTTING MEDICARE/MEDICAID/THE MANDATE TO PAY FOR A TAX CUT FOR THE RICH they are RESTORING MINING TO THE NATIONAL PARKS they are


They are doing a lot of crazy thinks just watch CNN everyday.


And so you push people to vote for them because???
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:46 pm

Free Missouri wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
They are taking away NET NEUTRALITY they are GUTTING MEDICARE/MEDICAID/THE MANDATE TO PAY FOR A TAX CUT FOR THE RICH they are RESTORING MINING TO THE NATIONAL PARKS they are


They are doing a lot of crazy thinks just watch CNN everyday.


Because the left wing version of Fox News is the infallible News source.

This is literally alarmism. all of it. from the Net Neutrality BS to the idea that they are just going to open up all national parks to unregulated mining.

This is great. Now I finally understand why you feel the way you do. You get all your news from a news source that is marginally better the breitbart or Huffpo.

CNN is way better than those sites. By far. Just like Fox News you just need to not listen to the opinion shows
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:46 pm

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Republic of Keshiland wrote:
TA FREAKING DA


Oh look, you're dishonestly counting suicides again.

Suicides are suicides, not gun violence. Killing yourself with an oven or a gun doesn't change a thing.


Dammit, you beat me to it. Also they used an estimate for the years 2014, 2015. Another issue is with the death toll of American soldiers, how many were KIA vs killed by other means? All 405+K were not all KIA.
I'm calling bullshit and chalking this one up to just another editorial missive of sensational tripe.
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Postby Free Missouri » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Free Missouri wrote:
Because the left wing version of Fox News is the infallible News source.

This is literally alarmism. all of it. from the Net Neutrality BS to the idea that they are just going to open up all national parks to unregulated mining.

This is great. Now I finally understand why you feel the way you do. You get all your news from a news source that is marginally better the breitbart or Huffpo.

CNN is way better than those sites. By far. Just like Fox News you just need to not listen to the opinion shows


They editorialize quite a bit with the news they focus on, just like Fox News. Outside of reuters, which is somewhat even-handed, I've always just used the News app on my phone to get several different news agencies and just sift through the alarmism and overtly biased articles.
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:50 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, because it would still be an overgeneralisation

Don;t act like you care about the rights of the American people.


All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?

Well then fucking move there if you want it so bad geez. If I had a choice I'd choose Jar Jar over you.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:53 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, because it would still be an overgeneralisation

Don;t act like you care about the rights of the American people.


All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?

I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:55 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?

I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...


Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns
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So, yeah. Gun control = Topic. Not Keshi's insufferable fuckery.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:55 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:No, because it would still be an overgeneralisation

Don;t act like you care about the rights of the American people.


All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?

Invaded by Russia, Germany and then Russia agian, get sent to gulag and only get your country back when the economy of some foriegn power implodes so spectacularily that it looks like WW3 misfired?
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:56 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...


Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns

They have guns and democracies, including allowing the opposition to have the vote, in Scandinavia Kesh, I doubt you would like it.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:57 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...


Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns

Yup, way to avoid the point Keshiland...
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:57 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?

Invaded by Russia, Germany and then Russia agian, get sent to gulag and only get your country back when the economy of some foriegn power implodes so spectacularily that it looks like WW3 misfired?

Sounds more like the Baltics imo.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:58 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Invaded by Russia, Germany and then Russia agian, get sent to gulag and only get your country back when the economy of some foriegn power implodes so spectacularily that it looks like WW3 misfired?

Sounds more like the Baltics imo.

P. Much the fate of all Eastern Europe, except Finland... Finland made its own racist gulag and purges.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:59 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
All I want is to have what the Scandinavians have :( is it to much to ask?

Invaded by Russia, Germany and then Russia agian, get sent to gulag and only get your country back when the economy of some foriegn power implodes so spectacularily that it looks like WW3 misfired?

Finland isn't Scandinavian, but it was owned by them :p
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:59 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...


Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns

You do realize that literally every Scandinavian country allows its citizens to own firearms, right?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:00 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:I... don't think you really realize what exactly it is that Scandinavians have. because for one thing, your brand of Authoritarianism is not something Scandinavian Countries have... you know, on the account of the whole freedom thing and all...


Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns

...
Ok, let's go over this again.
Scandinavians and guns. right?
Here's the list of Guns per Capita in the Scandinavian Countries (I'm includin both Iceland and Finland on this list too, because of the close proximity in both culture and geography)
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Sweden: 21 GpC
Norway: 31.3 GpC
Finland 34.2 GpC
Iceland: 30.3 GpC
Denmark: 12 GpC
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The Scandinavian countries each have an average of, at least, 12 guns per person on their land.

also, not the fucking point.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:00 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Invaded by Russia, Germany and then Russia agian, get sent to gulag and only get your country back when the economy of some foriegn power implodes so spectacularily that it looks like WW3 misfired?

Finland isn't Scandinavian, but it was owned by them :p

The irony being that everyone in '40s era Finland had a gun and was encouraged to know how to use it no matter how shit the winters got.

If they didn't, they were pretty sure they'd be captured and sent to Gulag. Or just outright killed by invaders.

In any case, both Germas and Russians had a habbit of torching entire villages "just because", as both sides were partial to mass collective punishment at the time.

The sword of collective-guilt swung the other way after the war, as child-soldiers left stranded in Denmark quickly found themselves clearing beachside minefields... with their feet.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:01 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, yeah. Gun control = Topic. Not Keshi's insufferable fuckery.


Those largely overlap.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:02 pm

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Finland isn't Scandinavian, but it was owned by them :p

The irony being that everyone in '40s era Finland had a gun and was encouraged to know how to use it no matter how shit the winters got.

And that saved them from the Soviet Union.
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Postby Northeast American Federation » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:03 pm

I will tell you why many republicans cling very tightly to the Second Amendment. It is not that they view it as the only right that matters. It is because it is the only right we have that acts as a bulwark against people like certain individuals in this thread coming in and taking away other rights because they don't like certain people/their ideologies/the way they exercise their rights.
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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, yeah. Gun control = Topic. Not Keshi's insufferable fuckery.


Those largely overlap.

Aye, but we don't have to take his Fox News and net neutrality bait. He's using the same distraction technique that Trump does.
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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:03 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Freedom without guns. That's why they are great no Constitution with guns

...
Ok, let's go over this again.
Scandinavians and guns. right?
Here's the list of Guns per Capita in the Scandinavian Countries (I'm includin both Iceland and Finland on this list too, because of the close proximity in both culture and geography)
.
Sweden: 21 GpC
Norway: 31.3 GpC
Finland 34.2 GpC
Iceland: 30.3 GpC
Denmark: 12 GpC
.
The Scandinavian countries each have an average of, at least, 12 guns per person on their land. and this isn't counting their military (not that it's that big a one)


That's per 100k not per person :rofl:
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Postby Pilarcraft » Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:04 pm

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:...
Ok, let's go over this again.
Scandinavians and guns. right?
Here's the list of Guns per Capita in the Scandinavian Countries (I'm includin both Iceland and Finland on this list too, because of the close proximity in both culture and geography)
.
Sweden: 21 GpC
Norway: 31.3 GpC
Finland 34.2 GpC
Iceland: 30.3 GpC
Denmark: 12 GpC
.
The Scandinavian countries each have an average of, at least, 12 guns per person on their land. and this isn't counting their military (not that it's that big a one)


That's per 100k not per person :rofl:

um... correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't "Per Capita" mean "Total/population" in economics?
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