Gun Control

[Free Missouri]

So... American Siberia?

I mean, I see where the idea comes from since that's my suggestion for closing the prison at Gitmo (but not the naval base) but for American Citizens? that's going too far. wayyy too far.

How about this: You can go to New England and break off and create your own country with all these laws and california can break of and become the Soviets and the rest of us can just live in free america in peace. And then I can go to Texas, we declare independence, and I build a true American paradise.

Let's not and just say we did. California and New England stay. Keshi on the other hand gets half of the Johnson Atoll.

I'll still build my Texan Paradise then.

[Mutualist Chaos]

Holy hell. At this point they should just give Keshi a custom "Derailler of Threads" badge (maybe a locomotive just after hitting the pebble, tilted a bit and in mid-air?) and be done with it.

[Free Missouri]

Since you don't seem to be listening to me, then I will repeat it again some more: Stasi. Stasi.

What the bloody hell is that?

The Original State Security.

[Wysten]

Do you know how far away Alaska is from the rest of the country not to mention they are stuck between international borders. They would end up loving the new "Gunmerica"

No, because they would all end up starving to death in a prison camp, just like most political prisoners, which they are.

Also, this whole idea sounds like the ghettos that the Nazis gave the Jews, or the reservations of the US and Canada and South Africa. Are you pull a fast one here Kesh?

[Thermodolia]

Since you don't seem to be listening to me, then I will repeat it again some more: Stasi. Stasi.

What the bloody hell is that?

The GDR Ministry for State Security, in German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit. Aka these guys

[Sovaal]

Because guerrilla warfare is definitely not a thing. And how again are you going to move at least 100 million people to Alaska? And you can't use roads because Canada isn't going to let a genocide happen

It's not a genocide,

True, it's just political oppression of people your particular totalitarian government doesn't like.

it's like AU the place where all the prisoners went from the UK.

First off, learn history.
Second, not all prisoners, Kesh.
Third, Australia can grow crops, Alaska cannot. Learn geography.

They turned out great.

See again as to why this is a dumb and morally bankrupt idea. Admit it, you just want them to due, huh?

[The New California Republic]

Because guerrilla warfare is definitely not a thing. And how again are you going to move at least 100 million people to Alaska? And you can't use roads because Canada isn't going to let a genocide happen

It's not a genocide, it's like AU the place where all the prisoners went from the UK. They turned out great.

Uh huh, sure. Since you are using examples from hundreds of years ago to justify doing things now, why don't we just start going around the world killing off savage natives again(?)

[Salandriagado]

micro CNC milling machines can make guns really easily - nearly automatically.

Again, how do you prevent people from getting something they can make themselves with 5 minutes of effort and a few hours of patience?

They will be subject to between 6-12 random checks a year to see if they are using them for what they said they would and if they are making guns they can get jailed for up to 10 years.

That's literally impossible to check.

[Sovaal]

Yes so that all the gun lovers are in one place and the rest of the country can move on.

So we have the Stasi and Gulags. Oh joy.

Can't wait till the jackboots kick down my door, torture me, and then send me off to Alaska to starve to death.

[Wysten]

micro CNC milling machines can make guns really easily - nearly automatically.

Again, how do you prevent people from getting something they can make themselves with 5 minutes of effort and a few hours of patience?

They will be subject to between 6-12 random checks a year to see if they are using them for what they said they would and if they are making guns they can get jailed for up to 10 years.

[Sovaal]

Since you don't seem to be listening to me, then I will repeat it again some more: Stasi. Stasi.

What the bloody hell is that?

Secret police of East Germany. Next time just google something.

[Wysten]

Because guerrilla warfare is definitely not a thing. And how again are you going to move at least 100 million people to Alaska? And you can't use roads because Canada isn't going to let a genocide happen

It's not a genocide, it's like AU the place where all the prisoners went from the UK. They turned out great.

[Salandriagado]

And what's keeping them fro not telling you they have such a machine or just hiding the guns?

The companies that make them will be federalized that's how. They will keep their positions but if they fail to track every person who buys one they can be removed with the stroke of a pen.

You realise that they aren't overly difficult to make, right? In fact, you can make most of the parts on a microCNC milling machine. In fact, between that, a 3d printer and a few simple off the shelf components, you could just keep making them in your bedroom.

[The New California Republic]

What the bloody hell is that?

The GDR Ministry for State Security, in German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit. Aka these guys

I was going to correct you, because you missed out the all-important Staatssicherheit from the name, but you corrected it.

[Republic of Keshiland]

It's not a genocide,

True, it's just political oppression of people your particular totalitarian government doesn't like.

it's like AU the place where all the prisoners went from the UK.

First off, learn history.
Second, not all prisoners, Kesh.
Third, Australia can grow crops, Alaska cannot. Learn geography.

They turned out great.

See again as to why this is a dumb and morally bankrupt idea. Admit it, you just want them to due, huh?

I just chose Alaska because its huge and barely populated. Yeah maybe Wyoming would be better, but then again with global warming, Alaska might not be so barren for long.

[Thermodolia]

The GDR Ministry for State Security, in German: Ministerium für Staatssicherheit. Aka these guys

I was going to correct you, because you missed out the all-important Staatssicherheit from the name, but you corrected it.

Some how my phone self deleted the word. Sometimes I really hate autocorrect

[Wysten]

The companies that make them will be federalized that's how. They will keep their positions but if they fail to track every person who buys one they can be removed with the stroke of a pen.

You realise that they aren't overly difficult to make, right? In fact, you can make most of the parts on a microCNC milling machine. In fact, between that, a 3d printer and a few simple off the shelf components, you could just keep making them in your bedroom.

Also trying to take over a factory that makes guns sounds like it would go great.

[Sovaal]

True, it's just political oppression of people your particular totalitarian government doesn't like.

First off, learn history.
Second, not all prisoners, Kesh.
Third, Australia can grow crops, Alaska cannot. Learn geography.

See again as to why this is a dumb and morally bankrupt idea. Admit it, you just want them to due, huh?

I just chose Alaska because its huge and barely populated.

There's a reason for that, and it's the same reason for why the Gulags where in Siberia.

Yeah maybe Wyoming would be better, but then again with global warming, Alaska might not be so barren for long.

Again, doesn't change the fact that these are essentially prison camps/reservations you're describing, Kesh, and actually answer this Keshi, instead of avoiding it.

[Thermodolia]

Also just in case anyone was wondering this is how a Keshi presidency would go down.

They will be subject to between 6-12 random checks a year to see if they are using them for what they said they would and if they are making guns they can get jailed for up to 10 years.

I see a military coup in your future. I can just picture it, it's January 22nd and the military has taken over congress, while the White House with you in it has been surrounded with troops, tanks, and attack helicopters. The military also forms the Committee for National Restoration.

January 23rd: Half of Congress has resigned on orders from the Committee for National Restoration. Several cabinet members have been arrested on charges of treason and sedition. The military has demanded that the president resign or else.

January 24th: The president has refused to resign. The military give the president until tomorrow to resign or he will be forcibly removed and arrested for treason.

January 25th: President Keshi has resigned. The acting deputy Secretary of State will be sworn in as president shortly.

Add to it as you wish

[Gun Manufacturers]

Can we stop pretending that Keshi cares about human lives? His ridiculous ideas for governance would cost more lives than are lost every year (including suicides) due to firearms.

Back to the subject of gun control, if you want universal background checks, you'd probably get my support IF you allow non-FFL holders to access NICS (assuming anti-gun politicians don't try to slip something odious into the bill). AWBs and magazine capacity restrictions I can't support. I WOULD like to see the constant updating the reporting and the accuracy of NICS. I'd also love to see the Hughes amendment to FOPA repealed.

[Republic of Keshiland]

I just chose Alaska because its huge and barely populated.

There's a reason for that, and it's the same reason for why the Gulags where in Siberia.

Yeah maybe Wyoming would be better, but then again with global warming, Alaska might not be so barren for long.

Again, doesn't change the fact that these are essentially prison camps/reservations you're describing, Kesh, and actually answer this Keshi, instead of avoiding it.

They are not prison camps! I am giving them their own country (in everything but tecnicality) where they have guns galore while the rest of the country progresses. Not prisonors not forced labour. Gunmerica is all it is.

[Thermodolia]

There's a reason for that, and it's the same reason for why the Gulags where in Siberia.

Again, doesn't change the fact that these are essentially prison camps/reservations you're describing, Kesh, and actually answer this Keshi, instead of avoiding it.

They are not prison camps! I am giving them their own country (in everything but tecnicality) where they have guns galore while the rest of the country progresses. Not prisonors not forced labour. Gunmerica is all it is.

Except for the small fact that people are being forced to move there against their will or go to prison

[Wysten]

There's a reason for that, and it's the same reason for why the Gulags where in Siberia.

Again, doesn't change the fact that these are essentially prison camps/reservations you're describing, Kesh, and actually answer this Keshi, instead of avoiding it.

They are not prison camps! I am giving them their own country (in everything but tecnicality) where they have guns galore while the rest of the country progresses. Not prisonors not forced labour. Gunmerica is all it is.

Wow I remember someone also said that about the Jews I forgot his name Bitler Henler I don't know I forgot also

[Republic of Keshiland]

They are not prison camps! I am giving them their own country (in everything but tecnicality) where they have guns galore while the rest of the country progresses. Not prisonors not forced labour. Gunmerica is all it is.

Except for the small fact that people are being forced to move there against their will or go to prison

I would not even have that big of a problem with gun owners if they would stop voting for these regressive filth politicians that make up the 115th Congress that clearly won't do anything for the people but "they won't ban guns and that's the only important freedom"

[Thermodolia]

Except for the small fact that people are being forced to move there against their will or go to prison

I would not even have that big of a problem with gun owners if they would stop voting for these regressive filth politicians that make up the 115th Congress that clearly won't do anything for the people but "they won't ban guns and that's the only important freedom"

All while casually ignoring the liberal, socialist, and centrists gun owners who didn't vote for the current congress