Gun Control

[Thermodolia]

micro CNC milling machines can make guns really easily - nearly automatically.

Again, how do you prevent people from getting something they can make themselves with 5 minutes of effort and a few hours of patience?

They will be subject to between 6-12 random checks a year to see if they are using them for what they said they would and if they are making guns they can get jailed for up to 10 years.

I see a military coup in your future. I can just picture it, it's January 22nd and the military has taken over congress, while the White House with you in it has been surrounded with troops, tanks, and attack helicopters. The military also forms the Committee for National Restoration.

January 23rd: Half of Congress has resigned on orders from the Committee for National Restoration. Several cabinet members have been arrested on charges of treason and sedition. The military has demanded that the president resign or else.

January 24th: The president has refused to resign. The military give the president until tomorrow to resign or he will be forcibly removed and arrested for treason.

January 25th: President Keshi has resigned. The acting deputy Secretary of State will be sworn in as president shortly.

[Grinning Dragon]

I find it frightening how ready certain individuals here are to go all-in on absolute totalitarianism just because they think guns are scary and people shouldn't be able to have them.

A fear of individual freedom does that, fear is a powerful motivator even if that motivation is completely illogical.

[Telconi]

And what's keeping them fro not telling you they have such a machine or just hiding the guns?

The companies that make them will be federalized that's how. They will keep their positions but if they fail to track every person who buys one they can be removed with the stroke of a pen.

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

[Republic of Keshiland]

Read the second part of my post. And what's keeping the owner from just hiding any guns they've made?

The fear of being ratted out by their fellow man/woman for the grand ole dollar.

[Sovaal]

The companies that make them will be federalized that's how. They will keep their positions but if they fail to track every person who buys one they can be removed with the stroke of a pen.

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

All the Nazis refugees from the Wolfenstien universe.

[Sovaal]

Read the second part of my post. And what's keeping the owner from just hiding any guns they've made?

The fear of being ratted out by their fellow man/woman for the grand ole dollar.

And what if they produce the guns in secret, or among compatriots, hmmm? People have loyalties to things greater then money.

Also, nice totalitarian state you got going there. Got gulags and concentration camps to?

[Grinning Dragon]

Read the second part of my post. And what's keeping the owner from just hiding any guns they've made?

The fear of being ratted out by their fellow man/woman for the grand ole dollar.

There is no way in hell that I would rat out my neighbor(s). Snitches get stitches.

[Telconi]

I find it frightening how ready certain individuals here are to go all-in on absolute totalitarianism just because they think guns are scary and people shouldn't be able to have them.

Evil exists, and ironically, it is those people who are the reason gun rights exist.

[Thermodolia]

The companies that make them will be federalized that's how. They will keep their positions but if they fail to track every person who buys one they can be removed with the stroke of a pen.

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

Technically all Keshi needs is the votes of 11 states or roughly 30% of the population to win. Though that's going to be hard to find.

[Telconi]

Read the second part of my post. And what's keeping the owner from just hiding any guns they've made?

The fear of being ratted out by their fellow man/woman for the grand ole dollar.

And what stops me from simply shooting my neighbor? After all, I just made a fucking gun.

[Republic of Keshiland]

The companies that make them will be federalized that's how. They will keep their positions but if they fail to track every person who buys one they can be removed with the stroke of a pen.

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

I don't even need 50% support if this Congress has not been forcibly removed I won't either.

[Pilarcraft]

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

I don't even need 50% support if this Congress has not been forcibly removed I won't either.

this congress hasn't yet, fucked over the Constitutional Amendments. In fact, none of the former governments have fucked over so many amendments as the one you're proposing.

[Republic of Keshiland]

The fear of being ratted out by their fellow man/woman for the grand ole dollar.

And what if they produce the guns in secret, or among compatriots, hmmm? People have loyalties to things greater then money.

Also, nice totalitarian state you got going there. Got gulags and concentration camps to?

1. Where are they going to do these in secret if they step outside with a gun for a second someone will see or they will hear and call the police.

2. Nope got neither of those things.

[Northeast American Federation]

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

I don't even need 50% support if this Congress has not been forcibly removed I won't either.

You must be insane to think you'd ever get away with the kind of policies you're advocating anywhere other than maybe California.

[Sovaal]

So let me get this straight. You have alienate gun owners, people who don't like cops barging into their home all the time, factory workers that you intend to nationalize, anyone who respects human rights, the poor, anyone who has concern that they'll get black bagged beca use their neighbor has a grudge, and basically the entire armed forces.

You're getting >50% support from who exactly?

I don't even need 50% support if this Congress has not been forcibly removed I won't either.

The US populace hates the democratically elected Congress; they would revolt against you fascist take over.

[Republic of Keshiland]

The fear of being ratted out by their fellow man/woman for the grand ole dollar.

And what stops me from simply shooting my neighbor? After all, I just made a fucking gun.

That you would get a life sentence with out parole

[Telconi]

And what if they produce the guns in secret, or among compatriots, hmmm? People have loyalties to things greater then money.

Also, nice totalitarian state you got going there. Got gulags and concentration camps to?

1. Where are they going to do these in secret if they step outside with a gun for a second someone will see or they will hear and call the police.

2. Nope got neither of those things.

1. Literally like 90% of the country where there's nobody around.

2. Then where are you going to keep all the people you arrest?

[Sovaal]

And what stops me from simply shooting my neighbor? After all, I just made a fucking gun.

That you would get a life sentence with out parole

And that stops anybody how? I mean he's already got an illegal gun, I doubt he cares.

[Grinning Dragon]

And what stops me from simply shooting my neighbor? After all, I just made a fucking gun.

That you would get a life sentence with out parole

NAH, There is the Grinning Dragon underground railroad for on the run gun manufacturers who killed their snitching neighbors.

[Thermodolia]

And what if they produce the guns in secret, or among compatriots, hmmm? People have loyalties to things greater then money.

Also, nice totalitarian state you got going there. Got gulags and concentration camps to?

1. Where are they going to do these in secret if they step outside with a gun for a second someone will see or they will hear and call the police.

2. Nope got neither of those things.

100s of acres of land dude. They exist and it's not hard to have never seen your neighbors

[Thermodolia]

I don't even need 50% support if this Congress has not been forcibly removed I won't either.

You must be insane to think you'd ever get away with the kind of policies you're advocating anywhere other than maybe California.

Even California would think his plan is a tad nuts

[Pilarcraft]

And what stops me from simply shooting my neighbor? After all, I just made a fucking gun.

That you would get a life sentence with out parole

what's to stop him from stockpiling on guns and shoot you and the cops too? when you come and get him? he's supposed to go life without parole anyway, so

[Telconi]

And what stops me from simply shooting my neighbor? After all, I just made a fucking gun.

That you would get a life sentence with out parole

With a flick of his magic wand Keshi would put me in jail? Or, there's the more reasonable conclusion that there's no fucking way you'd take me alive.

[Sovaal]

And what if they produce the guns in secret, or among compatriots, hmmm? People have loyalties to things greater then money.

Also, nice totalitarian state you got going there. Got gulags and concentration camps to?

1. Where are they going to do these in secret if they step outside with a gun for a second someone will see or they will hear and call the police.

There's these nice little things called basements, and this wonderful invention known as bags, and this wonderful location known as "the Countryside" where plenty of people already own guns.

2. Nope got neither of those things.

I doubt that. You've already saud you would put the people who don;t agree with you on "reservations".

[Thermodolia]

That you would get a life sentence with out parole

what's to stop him from stockpiling on guns and shoot you and the cops too? when you come and get him? he's supposed to go life without parole anyway, so

A jerry-rigged house is just perfect for a raid.