Gun Control

[Neutraligon]

So...bullfighting and rugby anyone?

Rugby is not anywhere near as violent as football.

Uhuh....source.

[Grinning Dragon]

Is it possible the sheriff misspoke?
Vegas shooter likely had an accomplice: sheriff

Pulled the link from here

[Valgora]

We have the highest prison population in the world though per capita. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your moment.

Most of them are in there for non-violent crimes. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your word vomit.

Yea, a lot are in there for drug crimes.
Fuckin' war on drugs bullshit.

[Valgora]

Is it possible the sheriff misspoke?
Vegas shooter likely had an accomplice: sheriff

Pulled the link from here

For a second there, I thought the sheriff was the accomplice thanks to the way the title is written.

[Albrenia]

Rugby is not anywhere near as violent as football.

Uhuh....source.

I'd say they're pretty similar. Large men running at each other, tackling, and so on. Just Gridiron players do it in a dangerous amount of padding with helmets while Real Men in rugby proudly suffer the effects of concussion.

[Telconi]

Farn's right though. It's all pretty moot. Despite the pro-gun crowd crapping themselves at the thought of an accessory being banned, the gun debate in the US has already been won by them.

The best that can be hoped for is some reasonable concessions that most of us can agree on, like background checks and the like. Obviously those would not have stopped the LV shooting, since Paddock would have passed any and all such health and background checks. The things which would have prevented it (heavy gun control or banning guns - all of the guns and accessories used were apparently legally obtained) are unacceptable to most of American culture, and so it is what it is.

I'll still support sensible gun control measures, but in the end that horse has already bolted.

It's already been won by them? Is that why I'm currently under government direction to destroy, disable or turn into the police over 2,000 dollars worth of property or else become a criminal?

[Stonok]

Most of them are in there for non-violent crimes. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your word vomit.

Yea, a lot are in there for drug crimes.
Fuckin' war on drugs bullshit.

I believe there are some users in this thread who might be partaking in some interesting substances. Proof the War on Drugs is inefficient.

[The Lone Alliance]

Is it possible the sheriff misspoke?
Vegas shooter likely had an accomplice: sheriff

Pulled the link from here

Maybe we should take that to the shooting thread?

[Grinning Dragon]

Is it possible the sheriff misspoke?
Vegas shooter likely had an accomplice: sheriff

Pulled the link from here

Maybe we should take that to the shooting thread?

Yep, sorry, I thought I was in there, my bad.

[Liberalter]

The fight for gun control is a working class issue.

[Len Hyet]

Uhuh....source.

I'd say they're pretty similar. Large men running at each other, tackling, and so on. Just Gridiron players do it in a dangerous amount of padding with helmets while Real Men in rugby proudly suffer the effects of concussion.

Rugby does have lower levels of overall injury but that's due to technique, not to any inherent level of violence.

[Albrenia]

Farn's right though. It's all pretty moot. Despite the pro-gun crowd crapping themselves at the thought of an accessory being banned, the gun debate in the US has already been won by them.

The best that can be hoped for is some reasonable concessions that most of us can agree on, like background checks and the like. Obviously those would not have stopped the LV shooting, since Paddock would have passed any and all such health and background checks. The things which would have prevented it (heavy gun control or banning guns - all of the guns and accessories used were apparently legally obtained) are unacceptable to most of American culture, and so it is what it is.

I'll still support sensible gun control measures, but in the end that horse has already bolted.

It's already been won by them? Is that why I'm currently under government direction to destroy, disable or turn into the police over 2,000 dollars worth of property or else become a criminal?

Again, just closing up a technicality. Don't be surprised if you skirt the edges of the law for long enough that it will eventually catch up.

[The Two Jerseys]

Most of them are in there for non-violent crimes. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your word vomit.

Yea, a lot are in there for drug crimes.
Fuckin' war on drugs bullshit.

Not to mention white collar crimes.

[Valgora]

The fight for gun control is a working class issue.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
- Karl Marx


And your link in your sig "The Fight for Gun Control is a Working Class Issue" links to the CPUSA.
The laughing stock among American leftists.

[Telconi]

It's already been won by them? Is that why I'm currently under government direction to destroy, disable or turn into the police over 2,000 dollars worth of property or else become a criminal?

Again, just closing up a technicality. Don't be surprised if you skirt the edges of the law for long enough that it will eventually catch up.

Something that was previously declared explicitly legal in a law is now being declared illegal. That isn't what technicality means. They passed a law to take my stuff...

[Len Hyet]

Again, just closing up a technicality. Don't be surprised if you skirt the edges of the law for long enough that it will eventually catch up.

Something that was previously declared explicitly legal in a law is now being declared illegal. That isn't what technicality means. They passed a law to take my stuff...

Impeach Healey when

[Bombadil]

I read an interesting article on the NRA, it notes that as a percentage they're not huge funders of Congress in comparison to other industries but their real strength is from grassroots, an extremely passionate and loyal base they can quickly tap to inundate Congress with calls and emails and etc.

And I also don't think it's a particular issue of Congress inactivity on gun control given Congress can't seem to get anything done these days.

The debate is almost meta these days, the same points rehashed to such an extent that little original thought is put in the issue, people have accepted the debate for what it is, a debate and just that. I mean it's ironic that those who profess to patriotism would willingly break the law if it came to banning guns - 'it's in the Constitution' only applies when the Constitution is on their side. And I imagine that goes for all sides on respective issues.

To change will require similar grassroots action at a state level, the federal government has little chance of doing too much, people need to get organised, get active and pressure local states - otherwise it's continued hot air all round.

[Telconi]

Something that was previously declared explicitly legal in a law is now being declared illegal. That isn't what technicality means. They passed a law to take my stuff...

Impeach Healey when

Hopefully soon, but I'm a Californian

[Len Hyet]

Impeach Healey when

Hopefully soon, but I'm a Californian

I'm so sorry

[Senkaku]

Again, just closing up a technicality. Don't be surprised if you skirt the edges of the law for long enough that it will eventually catch up.

Something that was previously declared explicitly legal in a law is now being declared illegal. That isn't what technicality means. They passed a law to take my stuff...

Yes. That happens sometimes. Sucks for you, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

If you have $2,000 to spare to blow on your gun accessories, I don't feel that bad for you.

[Grinning Dragon]

I read an interesting article on the NRA, it notes that as a percentage they're not huge funders of Congress in comparison to other industries but their real strength is from grassroots, an extremely passionate and loyal base they can quickly tap to inundate Congress with calls and emails and etc.

And I also don't think it's a particular issue of Congress inactivity on gun control given Congress can't seem to get anything done these days.

The debate is almost meta these days, the same points rehashed to such an extent that little original thought is put in the issue, people have accepted the debate for what it is, a debate and just that. I mean it's ironic that those who profess to patriotism would willingly break the law if it came to banning guns - 'it's in the Constitution' only applies when the Constitution is on their side.

To change will require similar grassroots action at a state level, the federal government has little chance of doing too much, people need to get organised, get active and pressure local states - otherwise it's continued hot air all round.

It isn't just the NRA that has an active base, (it's actually the NRA-ILA that does the lobbying and alerts to the base), there is also the Gun Owners of America, Second Amendment Foundation, NAGR. While the NRA part does have the largest membership, the rest are also very effective in getting the word out and put pressure on Congress.

[Telconi]

Something that was previously declared explicitly legal in a law is now being declared illegal. That isn't what technicality means. They passed a law to take my stuff...

Yes. That happens sometimes. Sucks for you, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

If you have $2,000 to spare to blow on your gun accessories, I don't feel that bad for you.

It's totally cool if the government seizes property from people I don't like too!

Oh, no, wait, it isn't...

[Senkaku]

Yes. That happens sometimes. Sucks for you, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

If you have $2,000 to spare to blow on your gun accessories, I don't feel that bad for you.

It's totally cool if the government seizes property from people I don't like too!

Oh, no, wait, it isn't...

If it turns out that nice shoes or wireless earbuds or whatever expensive accessories I have are actually menaces to society and intended to do nothing but make it easier for people to kill other people en masse at speed from long range, I'll gladly turn them over or destroy them when the government says to do so.

It's not "seizing your property because reee muh ebul gubmint", it's declaring a thing illegal and telling you to destroy it or turn it in because it's a menace to public safety with no other purpose than to help murder people efficiently. And the bill hasn't even been put forward.

[Albrenia]

The government tends to seize illegal property y'know.

[Telconi]

It's totally cool if the government seizes property from people I don't like too!

Oh, no, wait, it isn't...

If it turns out that nice shoes or wireless earbuds or whatever expensive accessories I have are actually menaces to society and intended to do nothing but make it easier for people to kill other people en masse at speed from long range, I'll gladly turn them over or destroy them when the government says to do so.

TIL bullet buttons make it easier to kill people...