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Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:25 pm

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No because its a very small group that do that. It is not a small group of americans that are violent, We litterally kill a few people every hour with the gun. Its just madness.


And it's an incredibly small ground (less then 1% of all firearm owners in the US) that use one in any sort of crime. So what's the damned difference then?


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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:25 pm

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Pretty sure Obama specifically funded the CDC using executive order powers to do a study in..2014?

Nope... 2013, and it didn't end well for him.

Also, pretty sure most firearm owners don't worship Khorne, as we are smart enough to know that Slaanesh Daemonettes are where it's at. 8)

Huh. I had not seen this.

Seems like the CDC needs to do some more research and clear up some of the things they don't know. Maybe Congress should allow that.

The CDC is allowed to do research. They are not allowed to perform advocacy. The CDC has a history of performing flawed research to push an agenda.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:26 pm

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And it's an incredibly small ground (less then 1% of all firearm owners in the US) that use one in any sort of crime. So what's the damned difference then?


Kesh has a phobia of firearms, not muslims.


Sure sounds like it.

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:28 pm

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Yet you guys won't admit we have and are a violent peoples. Either it is culture like you said and american are just naturally more violent or its not culture and we are not naturally more violent.

There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.


You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous
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Postby Kash Island » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:29 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.


You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous


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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:29 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.


You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous

I SAID DIFFERENT CULTURES. CULTURES. PLURAL.

Holy shit read comments before you just spout off nonsense.

And for god's sake England and them all love Rugby so I don't know how the hell you see Football as some evidence of moral degeneracy.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:30 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.


You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous


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Postby Skelebones » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:30 pm

The way I see it if we take guns from citizens then only criminals would have guns and we would not have any defense :eyebrow:

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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:30 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.


You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous


MMA and cage fighting is awesome.
My MMA coach knocked a dude out with like one kick to the head.

Video games don't cause violence.
And movies don't cause violence.

The police aren't taught to shoot first. That's just the police being police.

Fuck off with your fucking emotionalism.
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Postby Stonok » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:34 pm

This website is a danger to society because it could potentially encourage separatist groups to attempt to create their own countries.


WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY TO THAT, MAX BARRY?!
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Len Hyet wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous

I SAID DIFFERENT CULTURES. CULTURES. PLURAL.

Holy shit read comments before you just spout off nonsense.

And for god's sake England and them all love Rugby so I don't know how the hell you see Football as some evidence of moral degeneracy.


Thoe one thing they all have in common is violence. Yes football is a bad sport we know it damages the brains of players yet most people still love it. Just face it American is practically sinonmace with violence. Thats why we have laws like castle doctrine and SYG.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:I SAID DIFFERENT CULTURES. CULTURES. PLURAL.

Holy shit read comments before you just spout off nonsense.

And for god's sake England and them all love Rugby so I don't know how the hell you see Football as some evidence of moral degeneracy.


Thoe one thing they all have in common is violence. Yes football is a bad sport we know it damages the brains of players yet most people still love it. Just face it American is practically sinonmace with violence. Thats why we have laws like castle doctrine and SYG.

what is sinonmace? As mentioned above other countries have their own violent sports, whether it is bull fighting or rugby.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:34 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.


You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous

Yes, Americans are so violent that 99.3% of the population isn't in prison...
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:36 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:I SAID DIFFERENT CULTURES. CULTURES. PLURAL.

Holy shit read comments before you just spout off nonsense.

And for god's sake England and them all love Rugby so I don't know how the hell you see Football as some evidence of moral degeneracy.


Thoe one thing they all have in common is violence. Yes football is a bad sport we know it damages the brains of players yet most people still love it. Just face it American is practically sinonmace with violence. Thats why we have laws like castle doctrine and SYG.

Fuck it. I give up.

On the one hand I have peer reviewed studies published in highly regarded academic journals.

Keshiland however, has "nuh uh".
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Stonok wrote:This website is a danger to society because it could potentially encourage separatist groups to attempt to create their own countries.

Keshiland is a danger to society because his arguments are going to drive people to self harm from all the face palming and head-desking.
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:36 pm

Valgora wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous


MMA and cage fighting is awesome.
My MMA coach knocked a dude out with like one kick to the head.

Video games don't cause violence.
And movies don't cause violence.

The police aren't taught to shoot first. That's just the police being police.

Fuck off with your fucking emotionalism.


See you find the blood sport fun, and thats violent. I know games and movies don't cause violence I was just pointing out our fixation with violence. Shooting people is not the norm for any other police unite in the western world.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:37 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:I SAID DIFFERENT CULTURES. CULTURES. PLURAL.

Holy shit read comments before you just spout off nonsense.

And for god's sake England and them all love Rugby so I don't know how the hell you see Football as some evidence of moral degeneracy.


Thoe one thing they all have in common is violence. Yes football is a bad sport we know it damages the brains of players yet most people still love it. Just face it American is practically sinonmace with violence. Thats why we have laws like castle doctrine and SYG.


I think the word you are looking for is: synonymous

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:37 pm

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Stonok wrote:This website is a danger to society because it could potentially encourage separatist groups to attempt to create their own countries.

Keshiland is a danger to society because his arguments are going to drive people to self harm from all the face palming and head-desking.

Keshiland isn't the topic. Put him on ignore.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:37 pm

Farn's right though. It's all pretty moot. Despite the pro-gun crowd crapping themselves at the thought of an accessory being banned, the gun debate in the US has already been won by them.

The best that can be hoped for is some reasonable concessions that most of us can agree on, like background checks and the like. Obviously those would not have stopped the LV shooting, since Paddock would have passed any and all such health and background checks. The things which would have prevented it (heavy gun control or banning guns - all of the guns and accessories used were apparently legally obtained) are unacceptable to most of American culture, and so it is what it is.

I'll still support sensible gun control measures, but in the end that horse has already bolted.

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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:37 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Valgora wrote:
MMA and cage fighting is awesome.
My MMA coach knocked a dude out with like one kick to the head.

Video games don't cause violence.
And movies don't cause violence.

The police aren't taught to shoot first. That's just the police being police.

Fuck off with your fucking emotionalism.


See you find the blood sport fun, and thats violent. I know games and movies don't cause violence I was just pointing out our fixation with violence. Shooting people is not the norm for any other police unite in the western world.

So...bullfighting and rugby anyone?
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:38 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You can't say there is no 1 American culture then blame the homicide rate on American culture. We still have legalized human cage fighting where people get payed to bash the other persons head in aka MMA or human version of dog fighting aka football where 99% of players end up with brain damage.

We love watching violent movies, playing violent video games, watching people beat each other up. Oh lets not forget that we teach our police to shoot 1st ask 2nd. yeah to say that we are not violent as a whole is ridiculous

Yes, Americans are so violent that 99.3% of the population isn't in prison...


We have the highest prison population in the world though per capita.
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
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See you find the blood sport fun, and thats violent. I know games and movies don't cause violence I was just pointing out our fixation with violence. Shooting people is not the norm for any other police unite in the western world.

So...bullfighting and rugby anyone?


Rugby is not anywhere near as violent as football.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:39 pm

Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yes, Americans are so violent that 99.3% of the population isn't in prison...


We have the highest prison population in the world though per capita. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your moment.

Serious question what does this have to do with gun control?
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Postby Len Hyet » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:40 pm

Keshiland wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Yes, Americans are so violent that 99.3% of the population isn't in prison...


We have the highest prison population in the world though per capita. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your moment.

Most of them are in there for non-violent crimes. Oops sorry didn't mean to ruin your word vomit.

Keshiland wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:So...bullfighting and rugby anyone?


Rugby is not anywhere near as violent as football.

It's almost exactly as violent but whatever.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:40 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Valgora wrote:
MMA and cage fighting is awesome.
My MMA coach knocked a dude out with like one kick to the head.

Video games don't cause violence.
And movies don't cause violence.

The police aren't taught to shoot first. That's just the police being police.

Fuck off with your fucking emotionalism.


See you find the blood sport fun, and thats violent. I know games and movies don't cause violence I was just pointing out our fixation with violence. Shooting people is not the norm for any other police unite in the western world.


In case you were wondering, I'm a black belt in MMA.
Also, martial arts are fun as hell.
I'm glad I did it. And kinda sad that I had to quit thanks to work, school, and going to a different city to go to college.

So there was no reason to mention violent video games and movies then.

And again, the police ain't taught to shoot first. In fact, I don't think they're even taught all that much and that's what leads to shooting first before asking questions. Well... that and racist cops.
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