Gun Control

[Paddy O Fernature]

Hmm, so that's why Europe has had all those wars....

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

I kibbitz these discussions but I gave up on gun control in the US years ago. Blood for the Gun God, CDC count the dead! Oh, wait, they were forbidden to do that. Oh, well.

Pretty sure Obama specifically funded the CDC using executive order powers to do a study in..2014?

Nope... 2013, and it didn't end well for him.

Also, pretty sure most firearm owners don't worship Khorne, as we are smart enough to know that Slaanesh Daemonettes are where it's at.

[The Two Jerseys]

Hmm, so nothing to actually respond to the point?

I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

Except the sources you provided clearly state otherwise...

[Paddy O Fernature]

I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

Except the sources you provided clearly state otherwise...

What a joke indeed?

[Keshiland]

I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

Except the sources you provided clearly state otherwise...

Oh by west I meant Europe and Canada and America not latin America

[Len Hyet]

I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

What's this? A link showing that most countries saw a sharp increase in homicide rates after banning handguns? Surely not!

What's this? A graph showing there exists a negative correlation between firearms per person and violent crime?

What could this be? A peer reviewed journal article that concludes "[t]echnically weak research mostly supports the hypothesis [that gun ownership causes higher crime rates], while strong research does not. It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates"? No that can't be right.

Hmm, so that's why Europe has had all those wars....

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

I kibbitz these discussions but I gave up on gun control in the US years ago. Blood for the Gun God, CDC count the dead! Oh, wait, they were forbidden to do that. Oh, well.

I wonder why

[Keshiland]

I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

What's this? A link showing that most countries saw a sharp increase in homicide rates after banning handguns? Surely not!

What's this? A graph showing there exists a negative correlation between firearms per person and violent crime?

What could this be? A peer reviewed journal article that concludes "[t]echnically weak research mostly supports the hypothesis [that gun ownership causes higher crime rates], while strong research does not. It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates"? No that can't be right.

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

I kibbitz these discussions but I gave up on gun control in the US years ago. Blood for the Gun God, CDC count the dead! Oh, wait, they were forbidden to do that. Oh, well.

I wonder why

Then why do we have more then a 4.0 murder rate when those no gun countries all have less then 2? Yes, they saw a small rise for a while then it dipped lower.

[Valgora]

Except the sources you provided clearly state otherwise...

Oh by west I meant Europe and Canada and America not latin America

See previous comments about Great Britain, France, Spain, and the Netherlands.

[Farnhamia]

I did, we have always been the most violent country in the west. From are time as colonies till now. What a joke.

What's this? A link showing that most countries saw a sharp increase in homicide rates after banning handguns? Surely not!

What's this? A graph showing there exists a negative correlation between firearms per person and violent crime?

What could this be? A peer reviewed journal article that concludes "[t]echnically weak research mostly supports the hypothesis [that gun ownership causes higher crime rates], while strong research does not. It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates"? No that can't be right.

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

I kibbitz these discussions but I gave up on gun control in the US years ago. Blood for the Gun God, CDC count the dead! Oh, wait, they were forbidden to do that. Oh, well.

I wonder why

Yeah. Whatever. Doesn't matter, you've won, you really have. The norm in the US is that every so often we will have some number of citizens shot to death in one incident, followed by handwringing and solemn words and nothing of substance to stop such things from happening. Maybe they can't be stopped, I don't know. Maybe this is the blood of patriots that Jefferson spoke of, I don't know. What I do know is, guns will never be seriously controlled in the US. We may as well admit it and move on.

[The Two Jerseys]

Except the sources you provided clearly state otherwise...

Oh by west I meant Europe and Canada and America not latin America

So you admit to cherrypicking data to suit your agenda?

[Len Hyet]

What's this? A link showing that most countries saw a sharp increase in homicide rates after banning handguns? Surely not!

What's this? A graph showing there exists a negative correlation between firearms per person and violent crime?

What could this be? A peer reviewed journal article that concludes "[t]echnically weak research mostly supports the hypothesis [that gun ownership causes higher crime rates], while strong research does not. It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates"? No that can't be right.


I wonder why

Then why do we have more then a 4.0 murder rate when those no gun countries all have less then 2? Yes, they saw a small rise for a while then it dipped lower.

Because we have different cultures. Are you being deliberately obtuse? People have tried to hammer that point home literally this entire damn thread. England and Wales only saw a reduction in homicides after flooding the streets with Police Officers in completely unsustainable numbers that are now being scaled back.

[Paddy O Fernature]

What's this? A link showing that most countries saw a sharp increase in homicide rates after banning handguns? Surely not!

What's this? A graph showing there exists a negative correlation between firearms per person and violent crime?

What could this be? A peer reviewed journal article that concludes "[t]echnically weak research mostly supports the hypothesis [that gun ownership causes higher crime rates], while strong research does not. It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates"? No that can't be right.


I wonder why

Then why do we have more then a 4.0 murder rate when those no gun countries all have less then 2? Yes, they saw a small rise for a while then it dipped lower.

Clearly, inanimate objects are to blame. Not the rampant poverty levels in the inner cities, overall failing of the education and mental health systems inside the US, or the widening gap between the rich and the poor. No, they has nothing to do with it, lets keep blaming guns instead.

[Spirit of Hope]

What's this? A link showing that most countries saw a sharp increase in homicide rates after banning handguns? Surely not!

What's this? A graph showing there exists a negative correlation between firearms per person and violent crime?

What could this be? A peer reviewed journal article that concludes "[t]echnically weak research mostly supports the hypothesis [that gun ownership causes higher crime rates], while strong research does not. It must be tentatively concluded that higher gun ownership rates do not cause higher crime rates, including homicide rates"? No that can't be right.


I wonder why

Then why do we have more then a 4.0 murder rate when those no gun countries all have less then 2? Yes, they saw a small rise for a while then it dipped lower.

Most likely because we have much higher income inequality and a broken healthcare system that is even worse when it comes to mental healthcare and a major drug/gang problem (that has a lot to do with governments bad handling of the drug trade in the beginning.)

[Keshiland]

Then why do we have more then a 4.0 murder rate when those no gun countries all have less then 2? Yes, they saw a small rise for a while then it dipped lower.

Because we have different cultures. Are you being deliberately obtuse? People have tried to hammer that point home literally this entire damn thread. England and Wales only saw a reduction in homicides after flooding the streets with Police Officers in completely unsustainable numbers that are now being scaled back.

Yet you guys won't admit we have and are a violent peoples. Either it is culture like you said and american are just naturally more violent or its not culture and we are not naturally more violent.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Then why do we have more then a 4.0 murder rate when those no gun countries all have less then 2? Yes, they saw a small rise for a while then it dipped lower.

Most likely because we have much higher income inequality and a broken healthcare system that is even worse when it comes to mental healthcare and a major drug/gang problem (that has a lot to do with governments bad handling of the drug trade in the beginning.)

The war on drugs, how could I have missed that bullet point. Thank you for adding that gem to the stinking heap that keeps getting swept under the rug constantly.

[Telconi]

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

I kibbitz these discussions but I gave up on gun control in the US years ago. Blood for the Gun God, CDC count the dead! Oh, wait, they were forbidden to do that. Oh, well.

Pretty sure Obama specifically funded the CDC using executive order powers to do a study in..2014?

Nope... 2013, and it didn't end well for him.

Also, pretty sure most firearm owners don't worship Khorne, as we are smart enough to know that Slaanesh Daemonettes are where it's at.

[Galloism]

No, they had all those wars because someone thought changing languages every ten miles was a good idea. No one could understand anything anyone else was saying, so they started fighting.

I kibbitz these discussions but I gave up on gun control in the US years ago. Blood for the Gun God, CDC count the dead! Oh, wait, they were forbidden to do that. Oh, well.

Pretty sure Obama specifically funded the CDC using executive order powers to do a study in..2014?

Nope... 2013, and it didn't end well for him.

Also, pretty sure most firearm owners don't worship Khorne, as we are smart enough to know that Slaanesh Daemonettes are where it's at.

Huh. I had not seen this.

Seems like the CDC needs to do some more research and clear up some of the things they don't know. Maybe Congress should allow that.

[Valgora]

"Understanding the origins of a problem are where we must begin. It might not give us a simple or convenient answer, but it will point us in the right direction. Gun violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum, where the only factor bringing about or preventing violence are guns themselves. Our world is not a world of floating independent issues, opinions and actions divorced from everything else. Larger systems, be they economic, political, ideological or cultural, have bearing on what happens in our world. If we pretend that this is not the case, that a utopia can be found by implementing the right reform, or preventing a legislative effort, we blind ourselves to the mechanisms behind everything. When we do the opposite, when we work to understand our world for its component parts, for its class nature, struggles and change, the solutions to problems come into view."

- "Are Guns the Problem" from the Red Phoenix

[Paddy O Fernature]

Because we have different cultures. Are you being deliberately obtuse? People have tried to hammer that point home literally this entire damn thread. England and Wales only saw a reduction in homicides after flooding the streets with Police Officers in completely unsustainable numbers that are now being scaled back.

Yet you guys won't admit we have and are a violent peoples. Either it is culture like you said and american are just naturally more violent or its not culture and we are not naturally more violent.

Are we?

So, would you then agree that all Muslims are violent people, based upon the fact that every once in a while, an extremist pops up and blows him/herself up in a crowded venue?

[Len Hyet]

Because we have different cultures. Are you being deliberately obtuse? People have tried to hammer that point home literally this entire damn thread. England and Wales only saw a reduction in homicides after flooding the streets with Police Officers in completely unsustainable numbers that are now being scaled back.

Yet you guys won't admit we have and are a violent peoples. Either it is culture like you said and american are just naturally more violent or its not culture and we are not naturally more violent.

There is no one "American culture". Inner-city cultural groups are different from suburban cultural groups are different from rural cultural groups. Poor inner-city cultures are radically different from wealthy inner-city cultures. We are not a homogeneous group, and your repeated attempts at just writing it off as "hurr durr Americans are more violent" is not only intellectually dishonest but culturally ignorant and personally offensive.

[Keshiland]

Yet you guys won't admit we have and are a violent peoples. Either it is culture like you said and american are just naturally more violent or its not culture and we are not naturally more violent.

Are we?

So, would you then agree that all Muslims are violent people, based upon the fact that every once in a while, an extremist pops up and blows him/herself up in a crowded venue?

No because its a very small group that do that. It is not a small group of americans that are violent, We litterally kill a few people every hour with the gun. Its just madness.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Pretty sure Obama specifically funded the CDC using executive order powers to do a study in..2014?

Nope... 2013, and it didn't end well for him.

Also, pretty sure most firearm owners don't worship Khorne, as we are smart enough to know that Slaanesh Daemonettes are where it's at.

Huh. I had not seen this.

Seems like the CDC needs to do some more research and clear up some of the things they don't know. Maybe Congress should allow that.

One way or another, it would indeed be interesting to see this perused further.

[Len Hyet]

Are we?

So, would you then agree that all Muslims are violent people, based upon the fact that every once in a while, an extremist pops up and blows him/herself up in a crowded venue?

No because its a very small group that do that. It is not a small group of americans that are violent, We litterally kill a few people every hour with the gun. Its just madness.

Yes it is. It quite literally is. Literally 1% of the population is responsible for 63% of violent crime convictions.

[Greed and Death]

Pretty sure Obama specifically funded the CDC using executive order powers to do a study in..2014?

Nope... 2013, and it didn't end well for him.

Also, pretty sure most firearm owners don't worship Khorne, as we are smart enough to know that Slaanesh Daemonettes are where it's at.

Huh. I had not seen this.

Seems like the CDC needs to do some more research and clear up some of the things they don't know. Maybe Congress should allow that.

I don't really see bullets as a disease. I think the FBI is better situated for the research.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Are we?

So, would you then agree that all Muslims are violent people, based upon the fact that every once in a while, an extremist pops up and blows him/herself up in a crowded venue?

No because its a very small group that do that. It is not a small group of americans that are violent, We litterally kill a few people every hour with the gun. Its just madness.

And it's an incredibly small ground (less then 1% of all firearm owners in the US) that use one in any sort of crime. So what's the damned difference then?

[Telconi]

Are we?

So, would you then agree that all Muslims are violent people, based upon the fact that every once in a while, an extremist pops up and blows him/herself up in a crowded venue?

No because its a very small group that do that. It is not a small group of americans that are violent, We litterally kill a few people every hour with the gun. Its just madness.

Out of over 300,000,000 people... a few is a small percentage...