Gun Control

[Dylar]

Meh...as long as you're somewhat in control of what you're doing/thinking/saying then you should be fine. Hell, Tom Hanks drank every minute he could get before D-Day in Saving Private Ryan

And how much shooting did he do? I don't really remember him actually doing any.

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Good point. But he was the one giving orders to what his troops should do.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

And how much shooting did he do? I don't really remember him actually doing any.

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Good point. But he was the one giving orders to what his troops should do.

Did he do that, either? I seem to remember it mostly being him stumbling about and ducking for cover most of the time. Haven't seen the film in several years, though.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.

I have learned how to shoot its called Halo

I think that is, so far, the dumbest thing you've said in this thread.

[The Two Jerseys]

Also, current homegrown US cybersecurity is relatively backwards, often hiring firms and consultants from abroad, including many from Eastern Europe.

Plus, let's up the ante and raise the criminal penalties for hacking. Minimum of 25 years and maximum of death.

Seems extreme, no? Then again, goes in line with everything else you said. Kinda glad actually that you have no say in American governance.

Hacking would become the new treason, as cyber warfare is already the new military front.

And the governments of the world are at a disadvantage. Try restricting the freedom of the internet of Americans, see what kind of uproar you get.

What is it with this thread attracting all the draconians?

[Telconi]

Seems extreme, no? Then again, goes in line with everything else you said. Kinda glad actually that you have no say in American governance.

And the governments of the world are at a disadvantage. Try restricting the freedom of the internet of Americans, see what kind of uproar you get.

What is it with this thread attracting all the draconians?

Because being a gun grabber is the key to remaining a living totalitarian...

[Len Hyet]

Seems extreme, no? Then again, goes in line with everything else you said. Kinda glad actually that you have no say in American governance.

And the governments of the world are at a disadvantage. Try restricting the freedom of the internet of Americans, see what kind of uproar you get.

What is it with this thread attracting all the draconians?

If they convince enough people that guns are bad it becomes exponentially easier for them to enforce their fascist ideologies on the population.

[Thermodolia]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

The current interpretation, and i dare say the only interpretation, is the correct one. Not whatever the fuck you think it is.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

Actually it's been used more than you think.

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

It's quite alive. You won't get put in prison for using your rights

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

Ya no.

21A ruined America

Thanksgiving is coming up and I'm going to need that complementary wiskey they have on the plane

The electoral college is killing democracy

It's not great but democracy is quite alive.

12A ruined democracy

Ya no

[The Two Jerseys]

What is it with this thread attracting all the draconians?

If they convince enough people that guns are bad it becomes exponentially easier for them to enforce their fascist ideologies on the population.

They're right, guns are bad! And jaywalking should be a capital offense!

[Thermodolia]

Yeah, such features could never be circumvented, nope never.

Each computer would have to be registered with the state authority and annually pass inspection accompanied by changes in software, much like automobiles pass through registration inspection.

Dude the only way that would work is if you went North Korean on everything. And nobody in the US, including the military, will agree to that.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Lets go over the 4 reasons people have said they think we need guns

1. To stop a tyrannical federal government- I would be willing to support the military being split up with about 1% of each state's population being in the armed services and requiring the consent of the state to let them go on federal missions you know like the original intention of the 2A state militias. But there is a 0% chance all 80M armed Americans beating the federal military if they did not defect.

2. Self protection- Why do you need anything more than 10 bullet revolver that does not use a magazine to do that? No semi auto big mag gun is necessary.

3. Hunting- Why do you need anything more than a 10 mag hunting rifle to shoot a deer and have some food to eat.

4. Shooting at the range- Why do you need anything more then a 10 bullet revolver that does not use a magazine? You could allways reload on the spot. No military style semi auto's nessisary.

Hopefully you can come up with a better reason then its "your 2A right"

1. Chances are oppression will be little-by-little until some event happens giving a plausable sounding excuse for immense government overreach. The presence of guns as a deterent of enforcing this overreach tends to buy time for the courts to settle the matter. Such as in the Bundy standoff.
2. Because genre-savvy home-invaders come in groups of six or more.
3. Because wolves... and other things... Plus varmit-control means you gotta take out the entire herd of wild boars in one mag-dump across a field with an accurized rifle. Hunting is as much for sustinance via meat as it is population control to keep them from eating cattle and crops. Plus things like Gustav exist... Gustav took an RPG-7V to the face and kept chomping on amazonians for a few more years...
4. Plinking those spinner-targets competitively.

"Gee, I wish I had less ammunition." Said nobody in a life or death situation ever.

"Gee, I love having no gun control" Said nobody in a mass shooting ever.

You just need to dream bigger.
-Fire permits aside, flamethrowers are legal. As are privately-owned tanks.

Each computer would have to be registered with the state authority and annually pass inspection accompanied by changes in software, much like automobiles pass through registration inspection.

Muh car hasn't been inspected by no "state authority" since the day it left the factory.

Heck, they don't even check tires for treadwear. Niether in the north nor the south. That is entirely up to the responsibility of the car-owner/leasee.

Which is why every winter in big cities we get cars on ice crash compilations. Because tread scores are not like golf scores... anything lower than a 5 is gonna get you into some interesting times when snow hits the pavement. Somethimes even a 7 is dicey.

However, one thing our police do check for, are tire-chains. Those are illegal up here.

[Thermodolia]

Each vehicle has to pass road-worthiness tests. So yes, even home-built computers would have to be registered. Prism like software would monitor unregistered IPs, leading to investigations.

And you would track home built vehicles how?

And here in the US, vehicles only have to be inspected and registered if they go off private property.

Registration yes, but inspection depends on the state. In my state the only thing I need is an emissions test.

[Gun Manufacturers]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

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[Gun Manufacturers]

It also throws a huge wrench into freedom.

Also, I will say it again: this is not an alcohol control thread, this is a gun control thread.

Alcohol and guns go well with each other though.

Throw in tobacco, and you have a party and a federal agency.

[Telconi]

Alcohol and guns go well with each other though.

Throw in tobacco, and you have a party and a federal agency.

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[Hammer Britannia]

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

"Sir, did you commit this crime?"

"I plead the fifth"

"GUILTY"

*Three years later*

"Oops, sorry, he didn't actually commit the crime"

[Paddy O Fernature]

Throw in tobacco, and you have a party and a federal agency.

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FTFY

[Gig em Aggies]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...gasp...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahano.

Your not being rude enough here let me help

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[Tule]

However the USSC interprets the 2A is the correct interpretation. That's how government works.

But that does not mean that the 2A is interpreted is currently interpreted the way it was originally intended to be interpreted, or that is should be kept.

The primary purpose of the 2A at the time of its implementation was to provide the Federal government with a reserve of trained militiamen that could supplement the Federal Regular Army, which was tiny at the time. Anti-federalist sentiment was far more widespread at the time and the American public was suspicious of standing armies. The peacetime size of the US army was very small up until the early 20th century, in fact in 1803 under President Thomas Jefferson the peacetime strength of the US Regular Army was ~3000 men. The bulk of the US military would be made up of the state militias. During the war of 1812 about 90% of US ground forces were made up of state militia troops

Ironically, the Militia was actually used by the federal government to squash popular uprisings rather than the other way around. Most famously during the Whiskey Rebellion.

Although the purpose of the 2A was collective defense, the right to bear arms was certainly on the individual level. In fact the Militia act of 1792, inplemented only a few months after the 2A, mandated the possession of arms by every male between the age of 18 and 45.

IMO, the 2A became obsolete with the Militia act of 1903 when the National Guard was founded. By this time most US towns and cities had established some kind of law enforcement organizations as well which protected the general public.

But by this time, guns had already become very popular among the American Public and were ingrained in US culture. Removing the 2A was pretty much a political impossibility at that point.

Today, the country most consistent with the original intention of the 2A is actually Switzerland. Although the Swiss constitution doesn't specifically protect the right to bear arms, Switzerland has a tradition of permissive gun laws in the interest of maintaining a skilled militia.

[The Two Jerseys]

IMO, the 2A became obsolete with the Militia act of 1903 when the National Guard was founded.

You mean the same law that designated all able-bodied males age 17-45 as members of the militia?

[Telconi]

IMO, the 2A became obsolete with the Militia act of 1903 when the National Guard was founded.

You mean the same law that designated all able-bodied males age 17-45 as members of the militia?

I tried to make sense of it too... it hurt...

[Germanic Templars]

Alcohol and guns go well with each other though.

Throw in tobacco, and you have a party and a federal agency.

No, you need explosives too to truly form the agency.

[Tule]

IMO, the 2A became obsolete with the Militia act of 1903 when the National Guard was founded.

You mean the same law that designated all able-bodied males age 17-45 as members of the militia?

The unorganized militia. Which today is utterly insignificant to the defence of the US, unlike the militias of the antebellum era.

Let's put it this way: It's extremely unlikely that the US would have added the 2A to the constitution after the Militia Act of 1903 had it not been there in the first place.

[Telconi]

You mean the same law that designated all able-bodied males age 17-45 as members of the militia?

The unorganized militia. Which today is utterly insignificant to the defence of the US, unlike the militias of the antebellum era.

Let's put it this way: It's extremely unlikely that the US would have added the 2A to the constitution after the Militia Act of 1903 had it not been there in the first place.

And you know this because...

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Today, the country most consistent with the original intention of the 2A is actually Switzerland. Although the Swiss constitution doesn't specifically protect the right to bear arms, Switzerland has a tradition of permissive gun laws in the interest of maintaining a skilled militia.

They also have mandatory service for all able-bodied males. Which would not work at all in the US, considering we have almost 60,000,000 men who could fit that category, according to the CIA World Factbook. Not even that many M-16s exist.

[Germanic Templars]

You mean the same law that designated all able-bodied males age 17-45 as members of the militia?

The unorganized militia. Which today is utterly insignificant to the defence of the US, unlike the militias of the antebellum era.

Let's put it this way: It's extremely unlikely that the US would have added the 2A to the constitution after the Militia Act of 1903 had it not been there in the first place.

Wrong. For the defense of America is something that doesn't necessarily mean the fighting of external forces. Sometimes it involves those we put into a position of power within our own country.