Gun Control

[Telconi]

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

Oh, I know. It was freaking crazy. And these were guys who were not even under the influence of narcotics or anything.

Also, just to throw this in there, Platt took two no stops to the head IIRC.

[Gig em Aggies]

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

Should have used 10mm.

No 6.5mm

[Telconi]

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

Should have used 10mm.

Heh...

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Check out the descriptions of the '86 FBI Miami-Dade shootout.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout

Those guys took a helluva lot more punishment than a handgun round to the leg. And still went on to kill 2 agents and injure more.

Should have used 10mm.

Hindsight is 20/20. Anyway, this case was the catalyst for the FBI's switch to the 10mm Auto round and eventually to the .40 S&W they use today.

[Thermodolia]

By your own admission you don't know how to shoot. So, how about you let me (you know, the one who does know how to shoot) tell you that not only are you wrong, but you're laughably wrong.

It is proven fact that shot to the head=Death

Yes that's true. But it's almost impossible to hit the head. I can't even make headshots on a damn paper target and that thing is standing still.

Peta euthanizes people's dogs. Believe you me if I see PETA on my property I'm getting my gun.

Then you will be arrested for intimidation with a deadly weapon.

Castle doctrine is a thing.

Facts over feels.

Fun is a feel Danger from guns is a fact

English please?

Wew. Glad we solved that mystery. Gosh am I happy we figured that out, real brain teaser. I am glad that you changed my mind after I advocated completely free access to all guns-

Wait a minute, I didn't advocate that.

Huh.

If someone in a country 1/2 out population but 1.33 the size of Texas (Nigeria) was able to elect a president that after more then 10 years of almost daily terror attacks was able to send them fleeing unarmed on the backs of donkies Americans can get rid of the gun problem.

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Stop spewing that false statement. That hasn't even happened yet. Boko Haram is still heavily active in the country

[Sovaal]

Perhaps he should stop worrying about American and what it does or doesn't do, and start worrying about whatever country he calls home. Clearly, something isn't right locally...

Well, the thread is titled 'Gun Control' without any other qualifiers, so I assume that the subject isn't just limited to the United States.

Also, to be clear, I don't really care about what Americans do in their country. If they want to make nudity compulsory, let them. If they want free guns for everyone, let them. Their country their choice. But I will always state any problems or shortcomings that I and persons outside the US have observe.

Doesn't make your idea workable, realistic, and even remotely possible, however.

[Telconi]

Should have used 10mm.

Hindsight is 20/20. Anyway, this case was the catalyst for the FBI's switch to the 10mm Auto round and eventually to the .40 S&W they use today.

Shoot, it was the catalyst for a ton of agencies to switch from revolvers to autos. My own Sheriff's office withdrew S&W .38s and started issuing .45 autos. Eventually settling on the 4506 when it came out as a direct result. Talking to people who were with the office at the time, I've heard that Miami-Dade "scared the shit out of the Sheriff".

[Sovaal]

Because as we all know, the only government that could possibly become tyrannical is the Federal Government. There's no possible way that a state government could go along with the Federal Government.

Well, actually the State governments were the biggest abusers of human rights in this country.

Trail of Tears and Indian reservations, along with medical experiments by the Feds, want to have a word with you about that.

However, the founding fathers did not want to limit the power of the state.

Except they did, which is why they replaced the Articles with Constitution which gave the Federal government more power.

But you get my point the 2A was meant to protect against the federal government.

Which we've been saying far before this thread existed.

Well, each intruder needs three bullets, minimum. Two in their cavity one in their dome. Here is an example of needing, at minimum, 18 rounds of ammunition to do that.

Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.

A good bit of advice is to not comment on things you have no idea about. Trained professionals will tell you that head shots are near impossible to make in a life or death situation, even with a rifle, which are far more stable and easier to use then handguns, hence why pretty much any gun training teaches you to make center mass (chest) shots. However, the thing about center mass shots is that the chest is protected by the ribs, which handgun rounds such as 9mm will and have grazed or bounced off of. Combine this with a criminal high on a drug which inhibits signals to the brain, and they're not even going to realise they've been shot. Learn some more things about guns outside of video games and the news.

What if there's 11 deer?

Well, why would you need to kill all 11.

Maybe they like venison, myabe they like to donate the meat to charity. Maybe so long as it's legally done it's none of you business.

Peta would want a word with you

PETA is just a bunch of hypocritical morons, I'm wouldn't listen to them.

Because they're fun.

Lives over fun

Doubt anything you've put forward would save lives.

We have. We've listed them. I've decided because fuck you that's why.

Non-specific you, don't mean to be aggressive. Like, fuck you in general, not fuck you, specifically.

Free access to guns never works out well

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Total bans of anything in the US have never worked, let alone guns.

[Che Triumphant]

The reason that we have the right to bear arms is to resist government tyranny, I'm at school right now but this is what Karl Marx has to say on the matter, compare that to the "champion of the Republican Party" Ronald Reagan has to say, weird how people who say they love guns and support the right to bear arms love the guy who seems against that right while hating the man who vehemently supported it

https://i.redd.it/yltpqxxlss6z.jpg

[Hammer Britannia]

The reason that we have the right to bear arms is to resist government tyranny, I'm at school right now but this is what Karl Marx has to say on the matter, compare that to the "champion of the Republican Party" Ronald Reagan has to say, weird how people who say they love guns and support the right to bear arms love the guy who seems against that right while hating the man who vehemently supported it

https://i.redd.it/yltpqxxlss6z.jpg

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Nice try CIA.

[Len Hyet]

The reason that we have the right to bear arms is to resist government tyranny, I'm at school right now but this is what Karl Marx has to say on the matter, compare that to the "champion of the Republican Party" Ronald Reagan has to say, weird how people who say they love guns and support the right to bear arms love the guy who seems against that right while hating the man who vehemently supported it

https://i.redd.it/yltpqxxlss6z.jpg

I honestly could not care less what the self-loathing anti-semite has to say on the matter.

[Republic of Keshiland]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

[Telconi]

The reason that we have the right to bear arms is to resist government tyranny, I'm at school right now but this is what Karl Marx has to say on the matter, compare that to the "champion of the Republican Party" Ronald Reagan has to say, weird how people who say they love guns and support the right to bear arms love the guy who seems against that right while hating the man who vehemently supported it

https://i.redd.it/yltpqxxlss6z.jpg

*Feeds straw to horse*...

*Dusts off hands and goes back to cleaning guns*...

[Paddy O Fernature]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

*Cups hand over mouth and makes a loud farting noise, while simultaneously thumbing down this idea with the other.*

[Len Hyet]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

I plan on building a mansion on the eastern coast of Spain and having a two-story room that is only accessible from the second floor because it's filled completely to the top of the first with cocaine.

Unfortunately however, the cold grasp of reality shattered my plan, and rendered it nothing more than wishful thinking.

[The New California Republic]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every country called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

This is not a roleplaying section of the forums. Stop treating it as such.

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

Your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is complete garbage.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

So? What is your point?

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

What? So you think that guilt is implied because I don't want the police searching my home and property without a warrant? Guilt isn't the reason why I don't want a bunch of cops having the ability to burst into my home without a warrant...

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

So you think that guilt is implied because a person uses their right to not be a witness against themselves? To be honest, if a court case has such thin evidence that the prosecution needs to resort to getting the defendant to be a witness against themselves, then the court case probably should never have even started in the first place...

21A ruined America

How did the repeal of prohibition "ruin America"??? It was prohibition that was ruining America, by lining the pockets of organized crime and increasing their power exponentially. The rate that their power was growing, half of America would likely be living under the boot of organized crime groups by now, had prohibition not been repealed.

The electoral college is killing democracy

Debatable. Highly debatable.

12A ruined democracy

Again, highly debatable.

[Valgora]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

How stupid.

2 - that is an incorrect interpretation of the Amendment

3 - If you get rid of it, you'll wish you had it because now the chances of soldiers being able to use your house without your consent is much higher now. Way to go Keshi.

4 - No! It's not fuckin' dead Keshi. The amount of cases that have been addressed in the Supreme Court prove that. Jesus fuckin' Christ! How could you be this stupid? Really? It makes no sense for someone to be this irrational unless you are a fuckin' authoritarian motherfucker!

5 - Pleading the 5th does not equal guilt, it is your right. That's why when you're arrested, they tell you that you have the right to remain silent.

12 - You need to mention the 20th Amendment because that changed part of the 12th.

21 - Fuck off Keshi! Alcohol is good. "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

Okay. I still don't understand your opposition to the 4th Amendment of all amendments. It's the amendment that allows me to say to an officer "No, sir. I do not consent to a search."

[Sovaal]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

I plan on making a real life wizarding school, in every town in every country!

Doesn't mean it will happen, nor that it's a dumbass idea.

[The of Japan]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

How stupid.

2 - that is an incorrect interpretation of the Amendment

3 - If you get rid of it, you'll wish you had it because now the chances of soldiers being able to use your house without your consent is much higher now. Way to go Keshi.

4 - No! It's not fuckin' dead Keshi. The amount of cases that have been addressed in the Supreme Court prove that. Jesus fuckin' Christ! How could you be this stupid? Really? It makes no sense for someone to be this irrational unless you are a fuckin' authoritarian motherfucker!

5 - Pleading the 5th does not equal guilt, it is your right. That's why when you're arrested, they tell you that you have the right to remain silent.

12 - You need to mention the 20th Amendment because that changed part of the 12th.

21 - Fuck off Keshi! Alcohol is good. "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

wine is better than beer

[Republic of Keshiland]

Your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is complete garbage.

So? If I can get enough people to believe it then I can achieve my goal.

So? What is your point?

It should be removed due to its lack of use

What? So you think that guilt is implied because I don't want the police searching my home and property without a warrant? Guilt isn't the reason why I don't want a bunch of cops having the ability to burst into my home without a warrant...

An innocent person never refuses a search.

So you think that guilt is implied because a person uses their right to not be a witness against themselves? To be honest, if a court case has such thin evidence that the prosecution needs to resort to getting the defendant to be a witness against themselves, then the court case probably should never have even started in the first place...

Yes, guilt is implied. If you won't answer a straightforward question then you are probably guilty.

How did the repeal of prohibition "ruin America"??? It was prohibition that was ruining America, by lining the pockets of organized crime and increasing their power exponentially. The rate that their power was growing, half of America would likely be living under the boot of organized crime groups by now, had prohibition not been repealed.

Because alcohol is the most dangerous drug in the world leading to over 3.3 million deaths a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6LoRYUdhw
3:14

Debatable. Highly debatable.

If the loser of the popular vote wins then democracy loses

Again, highly debatable.

If an amendment has stopped the EC from imploding then its ruining democracy

[Telconi]

I plan to have a charter school set up in every county called the (The constitutional academy for the sciences and the arts) They will be taught every year K-12th that the constitution is interpreted like so

2A- The 2nd amendment gives the states the right to create a militia, IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO OWN A FIREARM! The current interpretation is a fraud and as good citizens of this nation you must fight against this fraud and vote for anti-firearm politicians who will restore it to its original meaning.

3A- You have a higher chance of winning the lottery then using the 3A

4A- This amendment is dead! Do not assert it you will only get a longer sentence for doing so!

5A- Pleading the 5th= guilt

21A ruined America

The electoral college is killing democracy

12A ruined democracy

Okay. I still don't understand your opposition to the 4th Amendment of all amendments. It's the amendment that allows me to say to an officer "No, sir. I do not consent to a search."

How do your jackboots break into people's homes to steal their stuff if there's a 4A?

[Sovaal]

Okay. I still don't understand your opposition to the 4th Amendment of all amendments. It's the amendment that allows me to say to an officer "No, sir. I do not consent to a search."

How do your jackboots break into people's homes to steal their stuff if there's a 4A?

I mean from Keshi's previous posts I doubt his belief in democracy at all.

[Valgora]

How stupid.

2 - that is an incorrect interpretation of the Amendment

3 - If you get rid of it, you'll wish you had it because now the chances of soldiers being able to use your house without your consent is much higher now. Way to go Keshi.

4 - No! It's not fuckin' dead Keshi. The amount of cases that have been addressed in the Supreme Court prove that. Jesus fuckin' Christ! How could you be this stupid? Really? It makes no sense for someone to be this irrational unless you are a fuckin' authoritarian motherfucker!

5 - Pleading the 5th does not equal guilt, it is your right. That's why when you're arrested, they tell you that you have the right to remain silent.

12 - You need to mention the 20th Amendment because that changed part of the 12th.

21 - Fuck off Keshi! Alcohol is good. "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

wine is better than beer

No it ain't.
I know red wine can be healthy in certain quantities, but it doesn't taste good. At all.

[Telconi]

Your interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is complete garbage.

So? If I can get enough people to believe it then I can achieve my goal.

So? What is your point?

It should be removed due to its lack of use

What? So you think that guilt is implied because I don't want the police searching my home and property without a warrant? Guilt isn't the reason why I don't want a bunch of cops having the ability to burst into my home without a warrant...

An innocent person never refuses a search.

So you think that guilt is implied because a person uses their right to not be a witness against themselves? To be honest, if a court case has such thin evidence that the prosecution needs to resort to getting the defendant to be a witness against themselves, then the court case probably should never have even started in the first place...

Yes, guilt is implied. If you won't answer a straightforward question then you are probably guilty.

How did the repeal of prohibition "ruin America"??? It was prohibition that was ruining America, by lining the pockets of organized crime and increasing their power exponentially. The rate that their power was growing, half of America would likely be living under the boot of organized crime groups by now, had prohibition not been repealed.

Because alcohol is the most dangerous drug in the world leading to over 3.3 million deaths a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6LoRYUdhw
3:14

Debatable. Highly debatable.

If the loser of the popular vote wins then democracy loses

Again, highly debatable.

If an amendment has stopped the EC from imploding then its ruining democracy

Your goal is evil.

It is used every day, by millions.

Lies.

More lies.

So? Prohibition caused far more damage.

Wrong.

Wrong.