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Am I right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:28 am

Euslavia wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Yes, because those states have people who care about the rights of gun owners. Don't try to dodge off that discredited "gun manufacturers/money clip" line you were just using.

Private individuals need to submit to the public collective. That is the true duty of citizenship.

The government should serve the people, not the other way around, at least inn the US.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:29 am

Euslavia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, ring any bells or are you too young to remember them?

Not American, so no.

Have you ever even been to the US? Meet an American?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:29 am

Euslavia wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, ring any bells or are you too young to remember them?

Not American, so no.


Shocker.

Let me clue you in a little bit, these two individuals pretty much proved the theory that magazine limits won't/don't do shit to prevent criminal activity, mainly "mass shootings".
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Postby Greater Redosia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:34 am

Sovaal wrote:
Euslavia wrote:Private individuals need to submit to the public collective. That is the true duty of citizenship.

The government should serve the people, not the other way around, at least inn the US.


Got to love that John Locke right! Them Two Treatises of Government!

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Postby Telconi » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:34 am

Euslavia wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Yes, because those states have people who care about the rights of gun owners. Don't try to dodge off that discredited "gun manufacturers/money clip" line you were just using.

Private individuals need to submit to the public collective. That is the true duty of citizenship.


And... that's why I need to be armed...
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:35 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Euslavia wrote:Not American, so no.


Shocker.

Let me clue you in a little bit, these two individuals pretty much proved the theory that magazine limits won't/don't do shit to prevent criminal activity, mainly "mass shootings".

I mean he wants to ban *all* guns in the US, so I doubt he knows anything relating to America and guns.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Wysten » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:36 am

Euslavia wrote:
Xelsis wrote:
Yes, because those states have people who care about the rights of gun owners. Don't try to dodge off that discredited "gun manufacturers/money clip" line you were just using.

Private individuals need to submit to the public collective. That is the true duty of citizenship.

You see I have a problem with the submit that means forcing me to do something I don't want to do.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:36 am

Sovaal wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Shocker.

Let me clue you in a little bit, these two individuals pretty much proved the theory that magazine limits won't/don't do shit to prevent criminal activity, mainly "mass shootings".

I mean he wants to ban *all* guns in the US, so I doubt he knows anything relating to America and guns.


Perhaps he should stop worrying about American and what it does or doesn't do, and start worrying about whatever country he calls home. Clearly, something isn't right locally...

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:38 am

Because as we all know, the only government that could possibly become tyrannical is the Federal Government. There's no possible way that a state government could go along with the Federal Government.


Well, actually the State governments were the biggest abusers of human rights in this country. However, the founding fathers did not want to limit the power of the state. But you get my point the 2A was meant to protect against the federal government.

Well, each intruder needs three bullets, minimum. Two in their cavity one in their dome. Here is an example of needing, at minimum, 18 rounds of ammunition to do that.


Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.

What if there's 11 deer?


Well, why would you need to kill all 11. Peta would want a word with you

Because they're fun.


Lives over fun

We have. We've listed them. I've decided because fuck you that's why.

Non-specific you, don't mean to be aggressive. Like, fuck you in general, not fuck you, specifically.


Free access to guns never works out well
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Postby Sovaal » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:38 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Sovaal wrote:I mean he wants to ban *all* guns in the US, so I doubt he knows anything relating to America and guns.


Perhaps he should stop worrying about American and what it does or doesn't do, and start worrying about whatever country he calls home. Clearly, something isn't right locally...

From everything I could gather of him from this thread, I'm guessing he's Russian.

If that's true I say we're better off being as different from his country as we already are.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:39 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.


I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.


I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.

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Postby Republic of Keshiland » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:42 am

Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.


I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:43 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo

Hold up. You LEARNED TO SHOOT from HALO!?

I need some Club Pack Windex for this bullshit.
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Postby Topoliani » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:43 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo

OH MY FUCKING GOD

YOU LITERALLY SAY A VIDEO GAME TAUGHT YOU HOW TO SHOOT?

THAT'S LIKE SAYING GTA 5 TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DRIVE

SOMEONE GET ME A FUCKING BEER
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Postby Len Hyet » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:44 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Because as we all know, the only government that could possibly become tyrannical is the Federal Government. There's no possible way that a state government could go along with the Federal Government.


Well, actually the State governments were the biggest abusers of human rights in this country. However, the founding fathers did not want to limit the power of the state. But you get my point the 2A was meant to protect against the federal government.


To protect against authoritarian government, period. Doesn't matter if its state or Federal.
Well, each intruder needs three bullets, minimum. Two in their cavity one in their dome. Here is an example of needing, at minimum, 18 rounds of ammunition to do that.


Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.


By your own admission you don't know how to shoot. So, how about you let me (you know, the one who does know how to shoot) tell you that not only are you wrong, but you're laughably wrong.
What if there's 11 deer?


Well, why would you need to kill all 11. Peta would want a word with you


Peta euthanizes people's dogs. Believe you me if I see PETA on my property I'm getting my gun.

Because they're fun.


Lives over fun


Facts over feels.
We have. We've listed them. I've decided because fuck you that's why.

Non-specific you, don't mean to be aggressive. Like, fuck you in general, not fuck you, specifically.


Free access to guns never works out well


Wew. Glad we solved that mystery. Gosh am I happy we figured that out, real brain teaser. I am glad that you changed my mind after I advocated completely free access to all guns-

Wait a minute, I didn't advocate that.

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Postby Xelsis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:44 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:Not if you're a good shot. If someone is actually trying to kill you a shot to the head and they are done. But I guess to own a gun you don't need to learn how to shoot.


"All you gun owners are stupid because they aren't Hollywood-good shots."

"I'm going to ban your firing ranges, magazines, ammunition, and guns."

How, praytell, are they supposed to become good shots? Positive thoughts?
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Postby Dylar » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:45 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo

...
I hope you know that video games don't teach jack about shooting guns. I played tons of games growing up, and when I shot my first 12-Gauge a couple of years ago...man I was not prepared for the recoil.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:45 am

Topoliani wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
I have learned how to shoot its called Halo

OH MY FUCKING GOD

YOU LITERALLY SAY A VIDEO GAME TAUGHT YOU HOW TO SHOOT?

THAT'S LIKE SAYING GTA 5 TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DRIVE

SOMEONE GET ME A FUCKING BEER

Bruh I learned how to become a terrorist from Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:45 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo


Can I get a serious response, or are you going to continue the bad trolling attempt?

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Postby Xelsis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:45 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo


Exactly how much recoil does your Xbox controller have?
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Postby Telconi » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:45 am

Republic of Keshiland wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:
I think you should learn to shoot, as apparently Hollywood movies are the basis for you're reality on shooting.


I have learned how to shoot its called Halo


Who dressed you this morning?
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Postby Topoliani » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:46 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Topoliani wrote:OH MY FUCKING GOD

YOU LITERALLY SAY A VIDEO GAME TAUGHT YOU HOW TO SHOOT?

THAT'S LIKE SAYING GTA 5 TAUGHT YOU HOW TO DRIVE

SOMEONE GET ME A FUCKING BEER

Bruh I learned how to become a terrorist from Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2.

I learned how to build a 50 story skyscraper from Roblox
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:46 am

Dylar wrote:
Republic of Keshiland wrote:
I have learned how to shoot its called Halo

...
I hope you know that video games don't teach jack about shooting guns. I played tons of games growing up, and when I shot my first 12-Gauge a couple of years ago...man I was not prepared for the recoil.

Halo isn't even based off of modern guns. It's a futuristic shooter. Like, I though playing years of COD would prepare me when I fired my first AK-74 U. My wrist died that day I swear.
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Postby Xelsis » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:46 am

You know what, Keshiland is right. I don't even see why we need guns anymore, we can all just play the Arkham games and then become Batman.
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