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Am I right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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22%
Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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7%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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20%
Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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44%
JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Keshiland
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:55 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Then they will be given bazookas and shoot at the tank if they are not out in 5.

Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!
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Sovaal
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:55 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Like laws, human rights, courts, corporations, and many other things, you don't know how a tank works...

Don't forget biology, psychology, sociology, women, liberalism, and I am sure I am forgetting some.

Children, politics in general, economics.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Postby Real Six Flags » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:55 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Like laws, human rights, courts, corporations, and many other things, you don't know how a tank works...

Don't forget biology, psychology, sociology, women, liberalism, and I am sure I am forgetting some.

Yeah, I doubt he knows how Murica works.
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Gun Manufacturers
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Greater Redosia wrote:

This said city is still gonna be part of the USA right? So wouldn't said people still get their right to a fair trial and the right of trial by jury. :s


Of course unless they drive in with a ducking tank then of course NO


The law doesn't work that way.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:57 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!


And they would take one look at it and leave. There's nothing illegal about driving a tank.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:57 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!

You do know that the national guard will probably arrest you right?
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Postby Real Six Flags » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Of course unless they drive in with a ducking tank then of course NO


The law doesn't work that way.

Nor the Spanish Inquisition but nobody expected that.
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Gun Manufacturers
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Greater Redosia wrote:
Tank Guy: Yeah no *puts tank into reverse and drives away backwards.*

Why backwards? You know this really seems like a discussion of make believe that I used to have as a 5 year old. "And then and then the fire breathing pink unicorn would stamp a hoof and make all the best cookies in the world so that I can eat them and I would never get sick."


What kind of cookies?
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas.
Driving a tank is not illegal
I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!
So you would lie about a threat. Tell me do you think that the national guard will simply take your word for it. Lying about that sort of thing is illegal you know. That is of course ignoring that everything you are doing in this town is illegal so it would not happen in the first place.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:58 pm

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Gun Manufacturers
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Unless your SWAT team is packing ATGM's you aren't destroying a tank, lol.


Then they will climb on top of it guns pointed in the tank yelling at them to surrender


Why wouldn't the hatches be locked from the inside?
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:59 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!


And they would take one look at it and leave. There's nothing illegal about driving a tank.

Well not before arresting Keshiland for breaking a shit ton of laws
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:59 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!

... we need a headdesk smiley...

You claim to be a liberal, yet you are probably the most authoritarian and manipulative person I have ever discussed with on this forum.

Honestly, if you tried any of your fantasies in the real world, you would be up to your scalp in court cases and lawsuits over the frankly fascist and illegal activities that you want to commit onto people. Seriously, think about your political positions, and then change what you call yourself to whatever fits closest. Liberal is nowhere close to being accurate of your beliefs.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:59 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Why backwards? You know this really seems like a discussion of make believe that I used to have as a 5 year old. "And then and then the fire breathing pink unicorn would stamp a hoof and make all the best cookies in the world so that I can eat them and I would never get sick."


What kind of cookies?

Rainbow cookies.
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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:00 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Why backwards? You know this really seems like a discussion of make believe that I used to have as a 5 year old. "And then and then the fire breathing pink unicorn would stamp a hoof and make all the best cookies in the world so that I can eat them and I would never get sick."


What kind of cookies?

All the cookies.
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Postby Greater Redosia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:01 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
What kind of cookies?

All the cookies.

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Real Six Flags
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Postby Real Six Flags » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:01 pm

For some reason I get a jonestown vibe from Keshi
Ever since Six Flags removed there flags I decided to bare the burden, so I'mma gonna be real with y'all.
I'm going to be politically raw, so screw political correctness because I'm going tell it how it is.
Pro: guns, state rights, and apathy
Con: socialism, over centralised nations, and over passion

Trump wont kill us, nor America's enemies. Nature and infighting will kill us in the end

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Gun Manufacturers
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:01 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!


Assuming you were the Mayor, you wouldn't have the authority to call in the National Guard.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:02 pm

Real Six Flags wrote:For some reason I get a jonestown vibe from Keshi

So this is how a cult begins
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gun Manufacturers wrote:
What kind of cookies?

Rainbow cookies.


Oh. I was hoping for something more like peanut butter chocolate chip.
Gun control is like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.

Any accident you can walk away from is one I can laugh at.

DOJ's interpretation of the 2nd Amendment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/fi ... -p0126.pdf

Natapoc wrote:...You should post more in here so I don't seem like the extremist...


Auraelius wrote:If you take the the TITANIC, and remove the letters T, T, and one of the I's, and add the letters C,O,S,P,R, and Y you get CONSPIRACY. oOooOooooOOOooooOOOOOOoooooooo


Maineiacs wrote:Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat and get drunk all day.


Luw wrote:Politics is like having two handfuls of shit - one that smells bad and one that looks bad - and having to decide which one to put in your mouth.

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!


Assuming you were the Mayor, you wouldn't have the authority to call in the National Guard.

Infact im pretty sure the national guard, FBI, and state police would be surrounding the city.
Male, Jewish, lives somewhere in AZ, Disabled US Military Veteran, Oorah!, I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Postby Real Six Flags » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Real Six Flags wrote:For some reason I get a jonestown vibe from Keshi

So this is how a cult begins

Keshi is god, Keshi is life.

Gosh Lord Keshi even sounds like a godly name.
Ever since Six Flags removed there flags I decided to bare the burden, so I'mma gonna be real with y'all.
I'm going to be politically raw, so screw political correctness because I'm going tell it how it is.
Pro: guns, state rights, and apathy
Con: socialism, over centralised nations, and over passion

Trump wont kill us, nor America's enemies. Nature and infighting will kill us in the end

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Neutraligon
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Real Six Flags wrote:For some reason I get a jonestown vibe from Keshi

So this is how a cult begins

No, cults need to have a charismatic leader.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:03 pm

Gun Manufacturers wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Rainbow cookies.


Oh. I was hoping for something more like peanut butter chocolate chip.

No it's a rainbow of cookies.
Male, Jewish, lives somewhere in AZ, Disabled US Military Veteran, Oorah!, I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
Click for Da Funies

RIP Dya

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Postby Zeclil » Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:04 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Going to take more the 5 seconds to get out of a tank.

And I doubt the government is going to like the personal goons of a madman having destructive devices, let alone his own town where he breaks judicial law.


Then I would just completely over exaggerate the threat of this tank man so that the national guard come in and take it out with bazookas. I would just say ARMED ATTACKER IN A TANK THREATENING CIVILIANS WE NEED THE NATIONAL GUARD BEFORE MASS DEATH ENSUES!


Funny that a place with 0 guns needs people with guns to keep itself safe, eh?

Hmm... it's almost poetic.
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