Study finds today's teens "grow up' slower then in the past

[Sovaal]

So a study by Jean Twenge of San Diego State University found that today's teens in America, no matter their race, religion, or where they live, are less likely to engage in "adult" activities such as drinking, dating, sex, driving, and working for pay.

Study (Warning: Pay wall)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-todays-teens-are-growing-up-more-slowly-than-they-used-to/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/extended-adolescence-when-25-is-the-new-18/

Now then, many might look at the upside of this, but the study warns of several downsides, mainly that teens are less prepared for the real world, being less skilled at time management, problem solving, and planning. Also suffering are the teens personal relationships.

Several possible causes have been named, mainly increased online social interaction, and helicopter parenting making it harder for teens to do such things.

So, what do you think of this, oh holy NSG?

[Luziyca]

Honestly, I'd blame helicopter parenting, but I would also blame the crappy economy as well: kinda hard to get jobs or the money to do many of those things when there is not a lot of jobs.

But blaming online interactions? That's like blaming video games for school shootings, or TV for the "decline in family values."

[The Commonwealth of Tennessee]

I'd say this is mainly a bit of the kids themselves on part for blame. HOWEVER, the parents can be a little too restrictive, so this may be adding onto the issue. Personally, I believe that if teenagers are encouraged to do activities that normally would be a little on the strict side for parents (such as: Driving, going to a friends house for a couple of days, going on church trips, etc.). This may sound unintelligent but I believe it to be my personal opinion.

[Herador]

I'd say they grow up slower because they can. Even a few decades ago people were expected to hit the workforce and start a family young, and before that they had to mature even faster.

We live longer and life is easier so they have mkre time to be kids.

[Topoliani]

It's not the internet, it's because you have 18 years (as soon as you are born) before you become responsible for making sure you and your family doesn't have enough food (sometimes early 20's in some families)

[Sovaal]

Honestly, I'd blame helicopter parenting, but I would also blame the crappy economy as well: kinda hard to get jobs or the money to do many of those things when there is not a lot of jobs.

But blaming online interactions? That's like blaming video games for school shootings, or TV for the "decline in family values."

The study mainly said it as a suggestion, but I agree with that to blame it all on increasing electronic usage is ridiculous.

I'd say they grow up slower because they can. Even a few decades ago people were expected to hit the workforce and start a family young, and before that they had to mature even faster.

We live longer and life is easier so they have mkre time to be kids.

Except that they still become adults at 18, and colleges treat them as such.

[Chuukango]

Well, I think you can pin some of this on school systems, you don't get taught useful skills like managing a checkbook, what taxes are, how to write a resume, etc. Not to completely discredit schools, maths, literacy, and foreign language are all very useful skills, but mean nothing if you don't actually learn how and why they are applied.
There's no incentive to learn, say, algerbra, if you (as far as you know) have no use for it, and so on. After all, why should I learn how to find the length of a hypotenuse if I won't ever use the skill outside of school?

[Herador]

Honestly, I'd blame helicopter parenting, but I would also blame the crappy economy as well: kinda hard to get jobs or the money to do many of those things when there is not a lot of jobs.

But blaming online interactions? That's like blaming video games for school shootings, or TV for the "decline in family values."

The study mainly said it as a suggestion, but I agree with that to blame it all on increasing electronic usage is ridiculous.

I'd say they grow up slower because they can. Even a few decades ago people were expected to hit the workforce and start a family young, and before that they had to mature even faster.

We live longer and life is easier so they have mkre time to be kids.

Except that they still become adults at 18, and colleges treat them as such.

Ok?

I mean, I guess it's glad to hear that hasn't changed since the last time I checked but I thought we were talking about maturity?

[Dytarma]

Sure, there are pros and cons to this, but I think that we should do things in moderation. I'm either on NS and doing something else, sleeping and eating, doing homework, or hanging with friends. All in all, I feel confident in going in the real world, since I can talk to so many people of different personalities.

[Allemeine II]

I really don't see this as a big deal. Growing up is over rated.

[Imperializt Russia]

So a study by Jean Twenge of San Diego State University found that today's teens in America, no matter their race, religion, or where they live, are less likely to engage in "adult" activities such as drinking, dating, sex, driving, and working for pay.

Study (Warning: Pay wall)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-todays-teens-are-growing-up-more-slowly-than-they-used-to/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/extended-adolescence-when-25-is-the-new-18/

Now then, many might look at the upside of this, but the study warns of several downsides, mainly that teens are less prepared for the real world, being less skilled at time management, problem solving, and planning. Also suffering are the teens personal relationships.

Several possible causes have been named, mainly increased online social interaction, and helicopter parenting making it harder for teens to do such things.

So, what do you think of this, oh holy NSG?

Both of those are certainly valid factors to consider.
But there are plenty of others besides.

The cost of driving (and learning to), for example, is ever-increasing even before considering the cost of fuel; reduced drinking kind of surprises me, but I'm not American and can't surmise anything; working for pay is trash, especially in the US - I worked "minimum wage" last year, but made a lot more than earning "minimum wage" this year (the "minimum" is more stringently enforced and the pay-packet benefits are much less) in a more demanding job. In the US, I'd probably earn a third of what I do now, because tips, because fuck people's ability to live.

Sex and dating go together. The rise of the manosphere, MGTOWs and antifeminists especially, could be blamed. But there could be biases in the polling.

[Minoa]

I'd partly blame the over-focus on standardized tests and over-dependency on textbooks instead of outdoor experience. I am sorta reminded about the Simpsons episode where Superintendent Chalmers teaches Bart in a less confined or linear environment.

[Sovaal]

The study mainly said it as a suggestion, but I agree with that to blame it all on increasing electronic usage is ridiculous.

Except that they still become adults at 18, and colleges treat them as such.

Ok?

I mean, I guess it's glad to hear that hasn't changed since the last time I checked but I thought we were talking about maturity?

The problem is that teens are coming out of high school into adult life with no experience from activities that past teens got.

[Herador]

Ok?

I mean, I guess it's glad to hear that hasn't changed since the last time I checked but I thought we were talking about maturity?

The problem is that teens are coming out of high school into adult life with no experience from activities that past teens got.

Sounds like some changes to the system are in order then.

[Ifreann]

Clearly school curricula need to include classes on drinking.

[USS Monitor]

But blaming online interactions? That's like blaming video games for school shootings, or TV for the "decline in family values."

Not really.

First of all, this is making much less of a moral judgement than the hysteria over violent video games.

Secondly, the idea that spending hours on the internet leaves you with less time for other priorities is entirely reasonable. It's not that the internet is inherently bad, just that it is taking up a lot of people's time. Spending hours watching paint dry or doing crossword puzzles would have the same effect.

But I do think helicopter parenting is another factor. It's ridiculous how many people now don't want to let kids go outside by themselves.

[Trumptonium]

Nothing much to do with sociology actually. The economic argument is more convincing. And it's not that the economy is bad. A CareerBuilder survey of 2,587 employers released May found that 41 percent were planning to hire seasonal workers for the summer, up from 29 percent last year. (You'll also note that 65% is not the rate of 16-19 year olds in education.)

Relevant self-explanatory image: (Currently the rate is actually falling again and set to be below record-low recession 2008 levels in Q2 2019, even though the employment outlook in general is positive)


Relevant article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ng-anymore

[Saiwania]

Is this talking about how people are not moving out at 18 as much, like in previous decades?

[Allemeine II]

Nothing much to do with sociology actually. The economic argument is more convincing. And it's not that the economy is bad. A CareerBuilder survey of 2,587 employers released last month found that 41 percent were planning to hire seasonal workers for the summer, up from 29 percent last year. (You'll also note that 65% is not the rate of 16-19 year olds in education.)

Relevant self-explanatory image: (Currently the rate is actually falling again and set to be below record-low recession 2008 levels in Q2 2019, even though the employment outlook in general is positive)
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Relevant article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ng-anymore

Your graph fails to take into consideration the high number of high school drop outs that occurred during the 70's and 80's. Sixteen to nineteen year old's need to worry about an education not a paycheck.

[Avalourn]

I'd say they grow up slower because they can. Even a few decades ago people were expected to hit the workforce and start a family young, and before that they had to mature even faster.

We live longer and life is easier so they have mkre time to be kids.

This 30 times over. Thats basically it, people have more time to have fun.

[The Sauganash Union]

I'm secretly happy that our generation is stunted. Makes it easier for me to win.

The more pampered, gender studies majors there are, the less competition I have.

[Imperializt Russia]

Nothing much to do with sociology actually. The economic argument is more convincing. And it's not that the economy is bad. A CareerBuilder survey of 2,587 employers released May found that 41 percent were planning to hire seasonal workers for the summer, up from 29 percent last year. (You'll also note that 65% is not the rate of 16-19 year olds in education.)

Relevant self-explanatory image: (Currently the rate is actually falling again and set to be below record-low recession 2008 levels in Q2 2019, even though the employment outlook in general is positive)
(Image)

Relevant article:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ng-anymore

The article caption, possibly unintentionally, seems to blame the teenagers for their employment status. Certainly, if all teens were looking for work the rate would be very high as it includes those seeking work - but it argues that seasonal work is high, implying long-term work is much rarer, therefore there is little point searching for high-competition bottom-tier work, therefore many do not bother.

Is this talking about how people are not moving out at 18 as much, like in previous decades?

In the UK, at any rate, that is a distinctly economic issue as a result of decades of housing policy resulting in low housebuilding, spiralling house prices (spiralling upwards out of affordability) and unwillingness to offer credit (ie mortgages) to increasingly underpaid young people, no longer eligible to receive housing benefit from the government.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm secretly happy that our generation is stunted. Makes it easier for me to win.

The more pampered, gender studies majors there are, the less competition I have.

Oh wow, useless degree memes are still a thing.

Is it still 2009?

[The Commonwealth of Tennessee]

I'm secretly happy that our generation is stunted. Makes it easier for me to win.

The more pampered, gender studies majors there are, the less competition I have.

^

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm secretly happy that our generation is stunted. Makes it easier for me to win.

The more pampered, gender studies majors there are, the less competition I have.

^

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