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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:18 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:No. Then the law should be changed ASAP for one that does not impact anybody's human rights.

But brazil is conservative, and your majority is conservative, so I see no court ruling change in a long time.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:40 pm

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:But brazil is conservative, and your majority is conservative, so I see no court ruling change in a long time.

International action is king.

and what would you like the international community to do?

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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:51 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:But brazil is conservative, and your majority is conservative, so I see no court ruling change in a long time.

International action is king.

So lula de Silvia and dimla rousieff never got elected?
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Postby Hakons » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:16 pm

Homosexuality cannot be "cured." You could turn a homosexual into a heterosexual no more than you could turn a heterosexual into a homosexual.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:16 pm

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Petrolheadia wrote:International action is king.

and what would you like the international community to do?

Sanctions, UN condemnation, getting neighbouring countries' soldiers to keep staring very threateningly...
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Postby Hakons » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:19 pm

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San Lumen wrote:and what would you like the international community to do?

Sanctions, UN condemnation, getting neighbouring countries' soldiers to keep staring very threateningly...


I don't think any of Brazil's neighbors are very threatening, maybe Argentina. I don't see a reason for sanctions.
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:21 pm

Hakons wrote:Homosexuality cannot be "cured." You could turn a homosexual into a heterosexual no more than you could turn a heterosexual into a homosexual.

You cannot change somebody that way, but they can change either way or by a choice. There is no gene for being lesbian or gay.
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Postby Hakons » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:27 pm

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Hakons wrote:Homosexuality cannot be "cured." You could turn a homosexual into a heterosexual no more than you could turn a heterosexual into a homosexual.

You cannot change somebody that way, but they can change either way or by a choice. There is no gene for being lesbian or gay.


Yes, homosexuality is not inheritible, it is probably from development. People can't change their sexuality, as far as I'm aware. It is true they can resist acting on it, just as heterosexual priests do not act on their sexuality.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:28 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and what would you like the international community to do?

Sanctions, UN condemnation, getting neighbouring countries' soldiers to keep staring very threateningly...

Oh so start whining. Putting sanctions on Brazil is bad they got lots of natural resources that are useful, and threatening Brazil will only make the conservatives their feel more obligated to see this through
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Postby UKCS » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:31 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:45 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Hakons wrote:Homosexuality cannot be "cured." You could turn a homosexual into a heterosexual no more than you could turn a heterosexual into a homosexual.

You cannot change somebody that way, but they can change either way or by a choice. There is no gene for being lesbian or gay.

No one chooses to be gay.

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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:50 pm

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The of Japan wrote:You cannot change somebody that way, but they can change either way or by a choice. There is no gene for being lesbian or gay.

No one chooses to be gay.

In a way, we don't have any choice on anything
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Postby Risottia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:59 pm

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Threlizdun wrote:For something to be a mental disorder it has to have a clear negative influence on your life or the lives of others. Homosexuality has no such influence.


Studies have shown that homosexual people have higher rates of depression, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder, phobia, self-harm, suicidal thoughts, and alcohol and drug dependence. All of those things are clearly negative influences.

Because those symptoms have nothing to do with how the society treats a person.
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The of Japan wrote:You cannot change somebody that way, but they can change either way or by a choice. There is no gene for being lesbian or gay.

No one chooses to be gay.

Btw I don't think differently about homosexuality than heterosexuality, but all I argue is that you CAN change it, like gender
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:05 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No one chooses to be gay.

Btw I don't think differently about homosexuality than heterosexuality, but all I argue is that you CAN change it, like gender

No you can't. It's not a choice and conversation therapy doesn't work.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:06 pm

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The of Japan wrote:Btw I don't think differently about homosexuality than heterosexuality, but all I argue is that you CAN change it, like gender

No you can't. It's not a choice and conversation therapy doesn't work.

Honestly I think it's like culture. It's hard to change, but not impossible
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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:08 pm

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The of Japan wrote:Btw I don't think differently about homosexuality than heterosexuality, but all I argue is that you CAN change it, like gender

No you can't. It's not a choice and conversation therapy doesn't work.

Conversion therapy is bullshit, and doesn't work, but like culture you CAN change it
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:09 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No you can't. It's not a choice and conversation therapy doesn't work.

Conversion therapy is bullshit, and doesn't work, but like culture you CAN change it

:clap: we said the same thing
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:15 pm

The of Japan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No you can't. It's not a choice and conversation therapy doesn't work.

Conversion therapy is bullshit, and doesn't work, but like culture you CAN change it

No you cannot change it. Sexual orientation cannot be altered.

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Postby Secundus Imperium Romanum » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:15 pm

It is worth remembering that the subject of homosexuality and homophobia is very recent in Brazilian society, that it has always been educated that being homosexual is wrong, and the biggest motive of a portion of the conservatives are homophobic (I say this because many gay people will vote for Bolsonaro) fact that leftist governments have literally stuck sex education kits for children in the motherhood, use of public money in parades and gay nightclubs and other proposals, so it is one of the main reasons that the right, both conservative and liberal, is what the more it grows, although the left movements remain strong.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Secundus Imperium Romanum wrote:It is worth remembering that the subject of homosexuality and homophobia is very recent in Brazilian society, that it has always been educated that being homosexual is wrong, and the biggest motive of a portion of the conservatives are homophobic (I say this because many gay people will vote for Bolsonaro) fact that leftist governments have literally stuck sex education kits for children in the motherhood, use of public money in parades and gay nightclubs and other proposals, so it is one of the main reasons that the right, both conservative and liberal, is what the more it grows, although the left movements remain strong.

Why would many LGBT people vote for someone like that?

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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Secundus Imperium Romanum wrote:It is worth remembering that the subject of homosexuality and homophobia is very recent in Brazilian society, that it has always been educated that being homosexual is wrong, and the biggest motive of a portion of the conservatives are homophobic (I say this because many gay people will vote for Bolsonaro) fact that leftist governments have literally stuck sex education kits for children in the motherhood, use of public money in parades and gay nightclubs and other proposals, so it is one of the main reasons that the right, both conservative and liberal, is what the more it grows, although the left movements remain strong.

Why would many LGBT people vote for someone like that?

temer only became president because dilma rouseff was impeached over the scandal that also got lula de silva convicted
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San Lumen wrote:
Secundus Imperium Romanum wrote:It is worth remembering that the subject of homosexuality and homophobia is very recent in Brazilian society, that it has always been educated that being homosexual is wrong, and the biggest motive of a portion of the conservatives are homophobic (I say this because many gay people will vote for Bolsonaro) fact that leftist governments have literally stuck sex education kits for children in the motherhood, use of public money in parades and gay nightclubs and other proposals, so it is one of the main reasons that the right, both conservative and liberal, is what the more it grows, although the left movements remain strong.

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Postby The of Japan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Conversion therapy is bullshit, and doesn't work, but like culture you CAN change it

No you cannot change it. Sexual orientation cannot be altered.

what gene or thing in epigenetics decides it then, if it is unchangeable?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:28 pm

The of Japan wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No you cannot change it. Sexual orientation cannot be altered.

what gene or thing in epigenetics decides it then, if it is unchangeable?

I have no idea but I and many others didn't choose to be gay.

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