Brazilian Justice allows to treat Homosexuality as disease

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

http://veja.abril.com.br/brasil/justica ... mo-doenca/ (pt)

Part of the text translated into English:

The federal court of the Federal District has allowed, on a preliminary basis, that psychologists can treat gays and lesbians as patients and can perform "sexual reversion" therapies without suffering any kind of censorship from the Federal Council of Psychology (CFP). This type of treatment is prohibited by a resolution issued by the CFP in 1999, since since 1990 homosexuality has ceased to be considered a disease by the World Health Organization. The CFP will appeal to the higher courts.

In the decision, Judge Waldemar Cláudio de Carvalho partially complies with the request for injunction of the popular action that required the suspension of resolution 01/1999, which establishes the norms of conduct of psychologists in the treatment of issues involving sexual orientation. The judge maintains the resolution, but determines that the Federal Counsel of Psychology does not prevent psychologists from promoting studies or professional care, in a reserved way, pertinent to the sexual reorientation, without any possibility of censorship or need of previous license.

Symmy Larrat, president of the Brazilian Association of Gays, Lesbians, Transsexuals and Transsexuals (ABGLT), said the organization repudiates the court's decision and considers it an error in determining how the CFP should act on a resolution of the category.

"For us, LGBT, this decision puts us back in a scenario where homosexuals were treated as ill and tortured. We know that there are practices of psychological torture and even exorcisms being committed against young homosexuals, and this decision reinforces this type of situation. Unfortunately, homophobia is internalized in the judiciary as well, but we believe that the Federal High Court will not allow that to occur, "said Larrat.

In my opinion, I believe that the judicial decision is a setback for the Brazilian LGBT communities, who suffer the highest homicide rate in the world despite not being a member. It has been proven several times that homosexuality as well as transsexuality are not psychological problems, but unfortunately organizations tend to insist on this error.

What is your opinion on the subject? Has justice acted correctly or wrongly?

[Major-Tom]

That makes little sense to me - I thought LGBT rights were generally somewhat well accepted in Brazil, even within the government?

[MERIZoC]

That makes little sense to me - I thought LGBT rights were generally somewhat well accepted in Brazil, even within the government?

Hardly.

Brazilian culture prizes masculinity and tradition. There have been reform efforts, but in many ways it remains a deeply conservative country. This is sad and maybe a little surprising, but it's not as if there's no context for it.

Hell, even politicians get away with this stuff. Jair Bolsonaro loves to call his enemies "fags" and the like.

[San Lumen]

This judge is crazy and this a horrible ruling. Being gay is not a choice nor is it a disease. its not something that can be cured. It makes me fearful for LGBT citizens in Brazil.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Being gay is not a choice

Yes it is.

I have mixed feelings about this. As a Muslim I'm sorta ok with it, but not everyone is Muslim. This policy/law is deeply rooted in religion, and not everyone adheres to a religion that prohibits this. So imo, this should only be for homosexual willing to go through with this therapy.

[Rusozak]

Being gay is not a choice

Yes it is.

I have mixed feelings about this. As a Muslim I'm sorta ok with it, but not everyone is Muslim. This policy/law is deeply rooted in religion, and not everyone adheres to a religion that prohibits this. So imo, this should only be for homosexual willing to go through with this therapy.

False. It's scientifically known that it's not a choice, and things usually end up better for everyone when we keep religion outside of rule of law. Church shouldn't define the state.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Though I am an opponent of LGBT behavior, I must ask what was the basis behind the courts decision?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Church shouldn't define the state.

Well, if separation of Church from state is fine with Christianity, ok then. And I agree, non-Christians shouldn't follow Christian law.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Yes it is.

I have mixed feelings about this. As a Muslim I'm sorta ok with it, but not everyone is Muslim. This policy/law is deeply rooted in religion, and not everyone adheres to a religion that prohibits this. So imo, this should only be for homosexual willing to go through with this therapy.

False. It's scientifically known that it's not a choice, and things usually end up better for everyone when we keep religion outside of rule of law. Church shouldn't define the state.

The Church did not define anything, the state defined itself.

[Aboim]

That makes little sense to me - I thought LGBT rights were generally somewhat well accepted in Brazil, even within the government?

It’s a religious wave.

On 10 September, a social media campaign of conservative groups canceled a queer art exposition. They damaged a branch of Santander Bank, the sponsor, and accused an etching showing “Gay Child” of pedophilia.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/0 ... elled.html

http://zh.clicrbs.com.br/rs/entretenime ... 92968.html

https://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/0 ... 55164.html

On 14 September, the Tumblr closed the page Gay Child, whence an artist of the queer exposition uncover the etching. That was a place used by gays to make jokes about their bullying stories, representing themselves. However, conservative groups accused it again of pedophilia.

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/ilustrada/ ... ilia.shtml

On 14 September, other etching called pedophilia, a possible reference to the paints made by victims, with sentences saying “machismo kill, abuse, humiliate” and the artist were formally accused of having committed pedophilia by state representatives from a religious party.

https://g1.globo.com/mato-grosso-do-sul ... adro.ghtml

On 15 September, a judge ban a theater play that perform a transgender Jesus. The strangest thing here is the sentence of Judge without articles or legal bases, even from constitution. Only talking about morality. The actors blamed the Catholic ultra conservative organization Tradição, Família e Propriedade.

http://www.conjur.com.br/2017-set-16/ju ... ransgenero

Finally, on 15 September, the judge Waldemar Claudio allowed the gay cure based on scientific freedom. According to him, homosexuality is not a disease, but psychologists are free to treat it.

Mister Waldemar used law articles. Analyzing the current situation, it’s a good thing, isn't it?

Being gay is not a choice

Yes it is.

No \o\

[Rusozak]

False. It's scientifically known that it's not a choice, and things usually end up better for everyone when we keep religion outside of rule of law. Church shouldn't define the state.

The Church did not define anything, the state defined itself.

I know, I was referring to the response that seemed to presume lawmaking should be guided by religious principles.

[The Alma Mater]

Being gay is not a choice

Yes it is.

Prove it. Be gay for a day.

[San Lumen]

Being gay is not a choice

Yes it is.

I have mixed feelings about this. As a Muslim I'm sorta ok with it, but not everyone is Muslim. This policy/law is deeply rooted in religion, and not everyone adheres to a religion that prohibits this. So imo, this should only be for homosexual willing to go through with this therapy.

No its not. When did you choose to be straight? No repeatable physiologist or psychiatrist thinks its a choice or mental disorder.

[Oil exporting People]

What is your opinion on the subject? Has justice acted correctly or wrongly?

A step in the right direction, in my estimation, but it simply doesn't go far enough in my opinion.

[Cedoria]

What is your opinion on the subject? Has justice acted correctly or wrongly?

A step in the right direction, in my estimation, but it simply doesn't go far enough in my opinion.

How far should it go, in your view?

[San Lumen]

What is your opinion on the subject? Has justice acted correctly or wrongly?

A step in the right direction, in my estimation, but it simply doesn't go far enough in my opinion.

How is it a step in the right direction? What would you do if it where up to you?

[Oil exporting People]

How far should it go, in your view?

(Re)criminalization of Homosexuality and subsequent crackdown on it in the aftermath of such a change in the law.

[Cedoria]

Being gay is not a choice

Yes it is.

I have mixed feelings about this. As a Muslim I'm sorta ok with it, but not everyone is Muslim. This policy/law is deeply rooted in religion, and not everyone adheres to a religion that prohibits this. So imo, this should only be for homosexual willing to go through with this therapy.

So can I promote religious conversion therapy "If people are OK with it?"
Thought not. Don't do unto others what you would have done unto you.

[San Lumen]

How far should it go, in your view?

(Re)criminalization of Homosexuality and subsequent crackdown on it in the aftermath of such a change in the law.

Im sorry what? What kind of crackdown are you talking about? going into gay bars and arresting everyone and throwing them in jail?

How is LGBT people getting married and adopting children affecting you in any way?

[Arctica-Aleutia]

How far should it go, in your view?

(Re)criminalization of Homosexuality and subsequent crackdown on it in the aftermath of such a change in the law.

And why on Earth would you want that? Why should you care who people want to marry? It certainly isn't effecting you.

[Oil exporting People]

Im sorry what? What kind of crackdown are you talking about? going into gay bars and arresting everyone and throwing them in jail?

Essentially, yes.

[Salus Maior]

How far should it go, in your view?

(Re)criminalization of Homosexuality and subsequent crackdown on it in the aftermath of such a change in the law.

What, going to break into random peoples' bedrooms to see if they're sleeping with the same sex?

[Petrolheadia]

How far should it go, in your view?

(Re)criminalization of Homosexuality and subsequent crackdown on it in the aftermath of such a change in the law.

For what benefit?

[San Lumen]

Im sorry what? What kind of crackdown are you talking about? going into gay bars and arresting everyone and throwing them in jail?

Essentially, yes.

You can't be serious. So you want to kick in people's doors and drag them away like what they do in Uganda, Nigeria and Belarus as well?

[Oil exporting People]

You can't be serious. So you want to kick in people's doors and drag them away like what they do in Uganda, Nigeria and Belarus as well?

Completely serious, and yes. I would've assumed my sig would make that obvious.