ISIS member, German girl of 16, faces death penalty in Iraq.

[The of Japan]

And body counts were never cooked in Vietnam.

I love the smell of straw in the morning

just sweeten it up with napalm!

[Thermodolia]

16 year old. She's not some 8 year old kid. See knew what she was getting into and she knew the consequences. She is able to use reason and she reasoned wrong. There are other hills to die on, don't make this one yours.

By that logic, we should ignore statutory rape laws.

Your unfortunate implications aside, the fact she's a child is merely an aggravating factor in that Iraq is spitting in the face of due process.

Even in the U.S. terrorists are allowed a day in court.

She's getting her day in court. It's just a court you don't like. We don't send terrorists back to their home nation when they committed crimes in the US and against the US

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Perhaps this certainty can be supported with the relevant sections of German law.

Admittedly, after looking through the German Criminal Law code, I was unable to find anything regarding the girls situation in particular — I am therefore unable to call her a traitor. However, according to the German Criminal Law, "Section 100 Engaging in relations that endanger peace".

(1) Whosoever as a German, who has his residence in the Federal Republic of Germany, and with the intent of starting a war or armed attack against the Federal Republic of Germany, establishes or maintains relationships with a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its intermediaries, shall be liable to imprisonment of not less than one year.

(2) In especially serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment for life or not less than five years. An especially serious case typically occurs if the offender through the offence creates a serious danger to the continued existence of the Federal Republic of Germany.

(3) In less serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment from one to five years.

I believe that this may qualify her. Specifically the part where it says, "[...]establishes or maintains relationships with a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its intermediaries[...]".

Considering that she joined IS, I'd think it would be fair to say she probably had intent to attack Germany.

[Napkiraly]

16 year old. She's not some 8 year old kid. See knew what she was getting into and she knew the consequences. She is able to use reason and she reasoned wrong. There are other hills to die on, don't make this one yours.

By that logic, we should ignore statutory rape laws.

Your unfortunate implications aside, the fact she's a child is merely an aggravating factor in that Iraq is spitting in the face of due process.

Even in the U.S. terrorists are allowed a day in court.

I have yet to see anyone say she should be summarily executed.

[The Rich Port]

By that logic, we should ignore statutory rape laws.

Your unfortunate implications aside, the fact she's a child is merely an aggravating factor in that Iraq is spitting in the face of due process.

Even in the U.S. terrorists are allowed a day in court.

she is going through a trial, and what do you mean with the first part?

She is a minor in both Iraq and Germany. She should not be being tried as an adult, not based purely on her confession.

[The of Japan]

she is going through a trial, and what do you mean with the first part?

She is a minor in both Iraq and Germany. She should not be being tried as an adult, not based purely on her confession.

The US routinely tries 17 and 16 years old as adults

[Fartsniffage]

She is a minor in both Iraq and Germany. She should not be being tried as an adult, not based purely on her confession.

The US routinely tries 17 and 16 years old as adults

Yeah, the US is fucked like that.

[The Rich Port]

By that logic, we should ignore statutory rape laws.

Your unfortunate implications aside, the fact she's a child is merely an aggravating factor in that Iraq is spitting in the face of due process.

Even in the U.S. terrorists are allowed a day in court.

She's getting her day in court. It's just a court you don't like. We don't send terrorists back to their home nation when they committed crimes in the US and against the US

The courts here are shit and they're shit in Iraq. You're the one making the distinction. It's a court you like, and that is your bias. I am opposed entirely to the Surveillance Court. It can be easily abused to den US citizens of their rights.

By that logic, we should ignore statutory rape laws.

Your unfortunate implications aside, the fact she's a child is merely an aggravating factor in that Iraq is spitting in the face of due process.

Even in the U.S. terrorists are allowed a day in court.

I have yet to see anyone say she should be summarily executed.

There was barely an investigation, and the vast majority here have evidently jumped to a conclusion based on that shit investigation.

A misguided sense of justice, being taken out on a 16 year old girl.

[Napkiraly]

There was barely an investigation, and the vast majority here have evidently jumped to a conclusion based on that shit investigation.

A misguided sense of justice, being taken out on a 16 year old girl.

Things tend to be chaotic in war, tis its very nature. What we do know is that she was a member of ISIS, joined willingly, and was a member of a notorious group that committed numerous war crime. The confession is probably the best we're going to get and tbh it's not really worth splitting hairs over if it unnecessarily will rustle feathers with the Iraqi government and people.

[Genivaria]

There was barely an investigation, and the vast majority here have evidently jumped to a conclusion based on that shit investigation.

A misguided sense of justice, being taken out on a 16 year old girl.

Things tend to be chaotic in war, tis its very nature. What we do know is that she was a member of ISIS, joined willingly, and was a member of a notorious group that committed numerous war crime.

*slams gavel*
Guilty.

[The of Japan]

Things tend to be chaotic in war, tis its very nature. What we do know is that she was a member of ISIS, joined willingly, and was a member of a notorious group that committed numerous war crime.

*slams gavel*
Guilty.

isn't there jury trial in Iraq?

[Ifreann]

Perhaps this certainty can be supported with the relevant sections of German law.

Admittedly, after looking through the German Criminal Law code, I was unable to find anything regarding the girls situation in particular — I am therefore unable to call her a traitor. However, according to the German Criminal Law, "Section 100 Engaging in relations that endanger peace".

(1) Whosoever as a German, who has his residence in the Federal Republic of Germany, and with the intent of starting a war or armed attack against the Federal Republic of Germany, establishes or maintains relationships with a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its intermediaries, shall be liable to imprisonment of not less than one year.

(2) In especially serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment for life or not less than five years. An especially serious case typically occurs if the offender through the offence creates a serious danger to the continued existence of the Federal Republic of Germany.

(3) In less serious cases the penalty shall be imprisonment from one to five years.

I believe that this may qualify her. Specifically the part where it says, "[...]establishes or maintains relationships with a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its intermediaries[...]".

Considering that she joined IS, I'd think it would be fair to say she probably had intent to attack Germany.

I don't. She moved to Iraq and did shit for ISIS there. Became some morality cop. She didn't attend a training camp and then go home. So I don't think any intent to attack Germany is evident. And considering she's in Iraq I don't think it's fair to say she has her residence in the Federal Republic of Germany.

[The of Japan]

Admittedly, after looking through the German Criminal Law code, I was unable to find anything regarding the girls situation in particular — I am therefore unable to call her a traitor. However, according to the German Criminal Law, "Section 100 Engaging in relations that endanger peace".



I believe that this may qualify her. Specifically the part where it says, "[...]establishes or maintains relationships with a government, organisation or institution outside the Federal Republic of Germany or one of its intermediaries[...]".

Considering that she joined IS, I'd think it would be fair to say she probably had intent to attack Germany.

I don't. She moved to Iraq and did shit for ISIS there. Became some morality cop. She didn't attend a training camp and then go home. So I don't think any intent to attack Germany is evident. And considering she's in Iraq I don't think it's fair to say she has her residence in the Federal Republic of Germany.

being a fucking murderer is a morality cop?

[Napkiraly]

It's worth noting that the majority of jihadi brides are not being accused of any crimes with the Iraqi government working on returning them back to their respective country's of origin.

[Genivaria]

*slams gavel*
Guilty.

isn't there jury trial in Iraq?

They'd hardly be her peers.

[Napkiraly]

Huh, surprised they've actually released her name. Damn, her eyebrows are a crime against humanity itself.

[Thermodolia]

isn't there jury trial in Iraq?

They'd hardly be her peers.

The same when we try terrorists over here

[Luminesa]

She's getting her day in court. It's just a court you don't like. We don't send terrorists back to their home nation when they committed crimes in the US and against the US

The courts here are shit and they're shit in Iraq. You're the one making the distinction. It's a court you like, and that is your bias. I am opposed entirely to the Surveillance Court. It can be easily abused to den US citizens of their rights.

I have yet to see anyone say she should be summarily executed.

There was barely an investigation, and the vast majority here have evidently jumped to a conclusion based on that shit investigation.

A misguided sense of justice, being taken out on a 16 year old girl.

Who chose to do what she did.

[The Rich Port]

Who chose to do what she did.

An excellent rebuttal to none of my points.

Also, she could have been tricked. But none of you care about whether she actually chose to do this.

[Napkiraly]

Who chose to do what she did.

An excellent rebuttal to none of my points.

Also, she could have been tricked. But none of you care about whether she actually chose to do this.

I dunno man, there was a lot of stuff in the media going on about how life terrible was for them and what sort of fucked up shit ISIS was engaged in.

[Ifreann]

I don't. She moved to Iraq and did shit for ISIS there. Became some morality cop. She didn't attend a training camp and then go home. So I don't think any intent to attack Germany is evident. And considering she's in Iraq I don't think it's fair to say she has her residence in the Federal Republic of Germany.

being a fucking murderer is a morality cop?

Iraqi intelligence forces told AP that Linda allegedly worked with the Isis “police force”.

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Huh, surprised they've actually released her name. Damn, her eyebrows are a crime against humanity itself.

Iraq presumably doesn't give a fuck. I do wonder what's up with the media reporting her name, now that you mention it.

[Luminesa]

Who chose to do what she did.

An excellent rebuttal to none of my points.

Also, she could have been tricked. But none of you care about whether she actually chose to do this.

Alright, some nuances. She was "groomed" by an ISIS fighter, according to the first link, which would have been accurate when she was 15 and first recruited. However, she later stated that she "regretted" joining, meaning she made the choice to meet this person and to travel with them. At some point in the midst of this, she turned 16, and then she also had a baby. We don't know when she had the baby. She was not a legal adult, but she would have been legally allowed to have sex in both countries. So if she had the child when she was 16, then that part would be thrown-out as "statutory" rape. (Though it could still be rape, and she could have been forced, at least in this part.) "Regret" however puts at least some of the blame on her, and she was a sniper. She was not forced at gunpoint to kill anyone, from what we know. So while she may have been abused and whatnot while she was in Iraq, and this is unfortunate, she chose to follow this stranger into Iraq and to join ISIS for whatever reason. And then she killed two men. So she will at the very least get charged with murder, and from what we know Germany does not want to take her back.

[Frodtthiuda]

Tough luck, dearie.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh right, every single member of Daesh is a frontline fighter. No such thing as support. Is it too much to ask if German intelligence can collaborate the story before leaving the girl to hang? Most people here distrust Islamic governments but now all of a sudden the Iraqi government are angelic saints.

Gauth I didn't know that you supported terrorists now. Is this a new anti-Trump thing, apart of some far left initiation, or just some general anti-western sentiment?

Gauth said she shouldn't be killed, not that he supports ISIS. People stretch words too much.

It's worth noting that the majority of jihadi terrorist brides are not being accused of any crimes with the Iraqi government working on returning them back to their respective country's of origin.

Fixed

Who chose to do what she did.

An excellent rebuttal to none of my points.

Also, she could have been tricked. But none of you care about whether she actually chose to do this.

Careful now, peeps will think you support ISIS /s

An excellent rebuttal to none of my points.

Also, she could have been tricked. But none of you care about whether she actually chose to do this.

Alright, some nuances. She was "groomed" by an ISIS fighter, according to the first link, which would have been accurate when she was 15 and first recruited. However, she later stated that she "regretted" joining, meaning she made the choice to meet this person and to travel with them. At some point in the midst of this, she turned 16, and then she also had a baby. We don't know when she had the baby. She was not a legal adult, but she would have been legally allowed to have sex in both countries. So if she had the child when she was 16, then that part would be thrown-out as "statutory" rape. (Though it could still be rape, and she could have been forced, at least in this part.) "Regret" however puts at least some of the blame on her, and she was a sniper. She was not forced at gunpoint to kill anyone, from what we know. So while she may have been abused and whatnot while she was in Iraq, and this is unfortunate, she chose to follow this stranger into Iraq and to join ISIS for whatever reason. And then she killed two men. So she will at the very least get charged with murder, and from what we know Germany does not want to take her back.

Well this changes a lot. I still think she deserves whatever's coming to her, but still.

[Torrocca]

Don't join an internationally condemned, fascist, murderous terrorist organization. Easy peasy.