ISIS member, German girl of 16, faces death penalty in Iraq.

[Thermodolia]

This "child" joined the most dangerous terrorist organization in the world and killed Iraqi soldiers. If Germany has a problem with her being executed then really they need to reevaluate their views.

Since Germany doesn't have the death penalty I would think that they would oppose anyone being executed for any reason, especially Germans, and especially children.

She's not a child. Not by a long shot. She's legally allowed to have sex with whoever she wants at this age in Germany. She's not a child she knew what she was getting into

[Thermodolia]

Oh well. They'll get over it.

It makes it difficult for people to seriously advocate more assertive policies with regards to muslims and the middle east when others on their side ignore things like the rule of law and human rights.
It's a child, ofcourse they shouldn't be executed. You could argue the age of majority should be lowered perhaps, but if you're going to propose hanging 8 year olds i think you're going to have to have a good argument for it.

She's not an 8 year old now is she? She's 16 years old more than old enough to know that fighting for ISIS is a bad idea

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It makes it difficult for people to seriously advocate more assertive policies with regards to muslims and the middle east when others on their side ignore things like the rule of law and human rights.

Who's side? What are you talking about?

It's a child, ofcourse they shouldn't be executed. You could argue the age of majority should be lowered perhaps, but if you're going to propose hanging 8 year olds i think you're going to have to have a good argument for it.

No one's talking about 8 yr olds.

[Ostroeuropa]

It makes it difficult for people to seriously advocate more assertive policies with regards to muslims and the middle east when others on their side ignore things like the rule of law and human rights.
It's a child, ofcourse they shouldn't be executed. You could argue the age of majority should be lowered perhaps, but if you're going to propose hanging 8 year olds i think you're going to have to have a good argument for it.

She's not an 8 year old now is she? She's 16 years old more than old enough to know that fighting for ISIS is a bad idea

She joined at 15. Like I said, if you want to talk about where the age of majority should be instead, that's one thing, but eliminating the concept altogether will end up meaning hanging 8 year olds or whatever.

[Ifreann]

Since Germany doesn't have the death penalty I would think that they would oppose anyone being executed for any reason, especially Germans, and especially children.

She's not a child. Not by a long shot. She's legally allowed to have sex with whoever she wants at this age in Germany.

The age of majority in Germany is 18, as it is in Iraq and most other countries.

She's not a child she knew what she was getting into

She may have known what she was getting into. Regardless, she is a child.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

She's not an 8 year old now is she? She's 16 years old more than old enough to know that fighting for ISIS is a bad idea

She joined at 15. Like I said, if you want to talk about where the age of majority should be instead, that's one thing, but eliminating the concept altogether will end up meaning hanging 8 year olds or whatever.

8 yr olds don't know any better (and I'm pretty I'm wrong about saying that 8 yr old don't know not to kill people just because). 15 and 16 yr olds do.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

She may have known what she was getting into. Regardless, she is a child.

That joined a terrorist org and killed or assissted in killing and torturing people.

[Australias (Ancient)]

Going to say this because it's appropriate. "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

[Thermodolia]

She's not a child. Not by a long shot. She's legally allowed to have sex with whoever she wants at this age in Germany.

The age of majority in Germany is 18, as it is in Iraq and most other countries.

Age of consent in Germany is 14. Thank you for playing.

She's not a child she knew what she was getting into

She may have known what she was getting into. Regardless, she is a child.

Fine she still gets to be treated like an adult. Because that's what we'd do here in the US

[Thermodolia]

She's not an 8 year old now is she? She's 16 years old more than old enough to know that fighting for ISIS is a bad idea

She joined at 15. Like I said, if you want to talk about where the age of majority should be instead, that's one thing, but eliminating the concept altogether will end up meaning hanging 8 year olds or whatever.

She's legally allowed to consent in Germany to sex and has been since 14. If she's able to legally consent to sex she should be legally allowed to be treated like an adult, especially when it comes to murder

[Alvecia]

The age of majority in Germany is 18, as it is in Iraq and most other countries.

Age of consent in Germany is 14. Thank you for playing.

Consent and majority are two different things. Age of consent in Germany may be 14, but age of majority is 18

[Ifreann]

She may have known what she was getting into. Regardless, she is a child.

That joined a terrorist org and killed or assissted in killing and torturing people.

Yes, thank you for catching me up on the basics of the OP.

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The age of majority in Germany is 18, as it is in Iraq and most other countries.

Age of consent in Germany is 14. Thank you for playing.

And the age of majority is 18. You see how "majority" is a different word from "consent"? You understand that they mean different things?

She may have known what she was getting into. Regardless, she is a child.

Fine she still gets to be treated like an adult. Because that's what we'd do here in the US

A German citizen in Iraq is to be tried under US law? How's that work?

[Uxupox]

just declare her a legally sanctioned takfir ala the honorable Abu Bakr. It is the duty of the faithful to destroy such a being.

[Ifreann]

just declare her a legally sanctioned takfir ala the honorable Abu Bakr. It is the duty of the faithful to destroy such a being.

This doesn't sound like acceptable due process.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

just declare her a legally sanctioned takfir ala the honorable Abu Bakr. It is the duty of the faithful to destroy such a being.

Pls no

[Uxupox]

just declare her a legally sanctioned takfir ala the honorable Abu Bakr. It is the duty of the faithful to destroy such a being.

This doesn't sound like acceptable due process.

sorry but according to Al-Islam theology what she did was haram and as such is capable of being declared a kafir.

[Thermodolia]

Age of consent in Germany is 14. Thank you for playing.

And the age of majority is 18. You see how "majority" is a different word from "consent"? You understand that they mean different things?

Age of consent in Germany is 14. Thank you for playing.

Consent and majority are two different things. Age of consent in Germany may be 14, but age of majority is 18

I'm well aware what they mean.

What I originally posted, if any of you bothered to read, was this:

Since Germany doesn't have the death penalty I would think that they would oppose anyone being executed for any reason, especially Germans, and especially children.

She's not a child. Not by a long shot. She's legally allowed to have sex with whoever she wants at this age in Germany. She's not a child she knew what she was getting into

To which iffy replied that the legal age of majority is 18, so I assumed that iffy was trying to claim that she couldn't have had sex with anyone because she's not 18 yet.

Fine she still gets to be treated like an adult. Because that's what we'd do here in the US

A German citizen in Iraq is to be tried under US law? How's that work?

I can know confirm that you need remedial lessons on reading comprehension.
But anyway I'll still explain to you.

Here in the US when a person under the age majority, generally 15-17, has committed a major crime, mainly murder they are tried as an adult and are able to receive the death penalty, though they won't be executed until they turn 18.

That's what I'm saying should happen, besides German law doesn't apply in Iraq

[Alvecia]

And the age of majority is 18. You see how "majority" is a different word from "consent"? You understand that they mean different things?

Consent and majority are two different things. Age of consent in Germany may be 14, but age of majority is 18

I'm well aware what they mean.

What I originally posted, if any of you bothered to read, was this:

She's not a child. Not by a long shot. She's legally allowed to have sex with whoever she wants at this age in Germany. She's not a child she knew what she was getting into

To which iffy replied that the legal age of majority is 18, so I assumed that iffy was trying to claim that she couldn't have had sex with anyone because she's not 18 yet.

A German citizen in Iraq is to be tried under US law? How's that work?

I can know confirm that you need remedial lessons on reading comprehension.
But anyway I'll still explain to you.

Here in the US when a person under the age majority, generally 15-17, has committed a major crime, mainly murder they are tried as an adult and are able to receive the death penalty, though they won't be executed until they turn 18.

That's what I'm saying should happen, besides German law doesn't apply in Iraq

To be honest I'm not sure that's much better, cause it sounds like you're trying to say that 14 year olds should be considered adults.

[Thermodolia]

I'm well aware what they mean.

What I originally posted, if any of you bothered to read, was this:


To which iffy replied that the legal age of majority is 18, so I assumed that iffy was trying to claim that she couldn't have had sex with anyone because she's not 18 yet.


I can know confirm that you need remedial lessons on reading comprehension.
But anyway I'll still explain to you.

Here in the US when a person under the age majority, generally 15-17, has committed a major crime, mainly murder they are tried as an adult and are able to receive the death penalty, though they won't be executed until they turn 18.

That's what I'm saying should happen, besides German law doesn't apply in Iraq

To be honest I'm not sure that's much better, cause it sounds like you're trying to say that 14 year olds should be considered adults.

Well according to Judaism they pretty much are

[Alvecia]

To be honest I'm not sure that's much better, cause it sounds like you're trying to say that 14 year olds should be considered adults.

Well according to Judaism they pretty much are

And by all reasonable definitions of the word, they aren't.

[Uxupox]

To be honest I'm not sure that's much better, cause it sounds like you're trying to say that 14 year olds should be considered adults.

Well according to Judaism they pretty much are

Islam too. As stated in the Quran in 4:6 and 24:59.

[Pope Joan]

I deplore the death penalty, but she is old enough to make her own choices.
She came there to kill and maim, right?

[Nocturnalis]

If killing a """""child""""" is not going to fly, then just keep her imprisoned (in Iraq, obviously) till she reaches 18 before executing. Then she won't be able to kill or torture anyone ever again.

It does not matter that being sent to prison is itself a punishment, what matters is the perception (and the fact that German prisons are nicer than Iraqi prisons, let's be honest here).Having her serve a sentence in Germany is a mercy. She knows it (which is why she suddenly decided she was a German again despite betraying the country), the Iraqis know it, and the Germans know it. It is a mercy that she does not deserve. Even hanging is too merciful for her and those like her, but that's no one else's business but the Iraqis (I would just leave her to the boats).

[Ifreann]

And the age of majority is 18. You see how "majority" is a different word from "consent"? You understand that they mean different things?

Consent and majority are two different things. Age of consent in Germany may be 14, but age of majority is 18

I'm well aware what they mean.

What I originally posted, if any of you bothered to read, was this:

She's not a child. Not by a long shot. She's legally allowed to have sex with whoever she wants at this age in Germany. She's not a child she knew what she was getting into

To which iffy replied that the legal age of majority is 18, so I assumed that iffy was trying to claim that she couldn't have had sex with anyone because she's not 18 yet.

I don't especially care about this girl's sex life. I called her a child because she is under the age of 18, the age of majority.

A German citizen in Iraq is to be tried under US law? How's that work?

I can know confirm that you need remedial lessons on reading comprehension.
But anyway I'll still explain to you.

Here in the US...

I'm broadly familiar with how the US handles juvenile criminals, thanks.

That's what I'm saying should happen,

Ah. I thought you were saying that what happens in the US will happen in Iraq because that's what you'd do in the US.

besides German law doesn't apply in Iraq

Of course, but given that she is a German citizen, the German government has an interest in her well-being and the legitimacy of legal processes she'll be involved in. They're not going to accept if she's convicted without a fair trial or denied a lawyer or abused in jail or what have you.

[Ifreann]

If killing a """""child""""" is not going to fly, then just keep her imprisoned (in Iraq, obviously) till she reaches 18 before executing. Then she won't be able to kill or torture anyone ever again.

Killing any German citizen isn't likely to fly with the German government.

It does not matter that being sent to prison is itself a punishment, what matters is the perception (and the fact that German prisons are nicer than Iraqi prisons, let's be honest here).Having her serve a sentence in Germany is a mercy. She knows it (which is why she suddenly decided she was a German again despite betraying the country), the Iraqis know it, and the Germans know it. It is a mercy that she does not deserve.

The German government is not likely to abide the perception that they will abandon their citizens to death at the hands of foreign governments. That this would appear merciful to bloodthirsty internet right-wingers seems, to me, unlikely to bother them.

Even hanging is too merciful for her and those like her, but that's no one else's business but the Iraqis (I would just leave her to the boats).

The boats?