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European Jihadi's, what do?

Lobby for their extradition to their home countries.
14
9%
Lobby to prevent the death penalty being applied.
17
11%
Lobby for some to be returned, and some to remain, based on some criteria.
15
10%
Allow local judiciaries to decide their fate.
108
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Total votes : 154

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:02 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:To stave off criticism along the lines of 'Weak Merkel cannot do anything but send Iraq a letter. How can she protect Germans from real threats?', yada yada usw.



I'd expect such a sentence would be overturned on appeal on the grounds that it is illegal.


They won't stop trying to defeat ISIS, but they may not go out of their way to help Iraq specifically. And even if ISIS magically disappeared tomorrow, Iraq won't instantly become stable and prosperous.

As is upholding international law and sparing children from execution.

Only to get "Merkel must support IS, vote AFD!"

Delivering an IS fighter directly to prison seems easier to defend than leaving a German to die.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:03 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Only to get "Merkel must support IS, vote AFD!"

Delivering an IS fighter directly to prison seems easier to defend than leaving a German to die.

Trying to sabotage international support to Iraq over a court case in Iraq seems over the top too
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:07 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Delivering an IS fighter directly to prison seems easier to defend than leaving a German to die.

Trying to sabotage international support to Iraq over a court case in Iraq seems over the top too

Break international law, win international consequences.


Wait, I think I did that wrong...
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:11 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Trying to sabotage international support to Iraq over a court case in Iraq seems over the top too

Break international law, win international consequences.


Wait, I think I did that wrong...


You did, there is very little of the last part :^)

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:19 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:I doubt Germany would be terribly mad, as for the the rest of the world, even less so. Because showing sympathy to an ISIS member can backfire on you real bad.

Sending a child to prison instead of to their death isn't really showing sympathy for ISIS.

Didn't say that. I said that decrying it might tho.
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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:46 am

Yea nay let her just be executed it's one headache less.
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:52 am

I oppose the death penalty on principle so I obviously don't think she should be executed. Still think she should have to face sever reprecussions for her actions though.
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Postby Lugardia » Thu Sep 21, 2017 6:22 am

We should get her extradited just to hang her ourselves.

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Postby Vallermoore » Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:58 am

She knew what she was doing. Hang her.

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Postby BonziNation » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:24 pm

Oh, a sudden trend pointing towards the gallows.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:25 pm

Great precedent if Germany let a citizen get executed by a foreign country.

"Please let us take our citizen back to face justice by our legal standards."

"Why the fuck should we? You let Iraq execute that ISIS girl. Go screw yourself."
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Postby Aethrys » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:36 pm

Hopefully the terrorist remains to face justice. Taking her back to Europe to be shielded from it would be a terrible mistake.

Lugardia wrote:We should get her extradited just to hang her ourselves.


I thought Germany was with other European countries with foolishly outlawing capital punishment for individuals that sorely require it.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:08 pm

Yeah, leave the whore to be dealt with by the Iraqis.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:10 pm

Aellex wrote:whore

Sheesh man. The girl not that.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:14 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Sheesh man. The girl not that.

She absolutely is. She was an Islamic terrorist and a prostitute to I.S.I.S soldiers. She deserves to be called so in both the literal and figurative way, the cunt.
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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:23 pm

Gauthier wrote:Great precedent if Germany let a citizen get executed by a foreign country.

"Please let us take our citizen back to face justice by our legal standards."

"Why the fuck should we? You let Iraq execute that ISIS girl. Go screw yourself."

Why not deal with this case by case, depending on how reasonable the sentence is? Execution for being involved in a mass-murdering cult seems pretty reasonable.
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Postby Soyouso » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:28 pm

Fifteen is too old to not understand the severity of joining a fucking terrorist group. She was not forced to do this. Brainwashed? Yes. But you should know by then that killing people and being a sex object for a religious terrorist group that believes women are worth nothing but servants and sex slaves for men was a bad idea. She's not seven, she's sixteen. Try her as you would an adult. I don't see the death penalty as unjust for crimes like murder. We all do stupid shit as teens, but most people don't join ISIS when they enter their edgy phase.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:54 pm

Aellex wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Sheesh man. The girl not that.

She absolutely is. She was an Islamic terrorist and a prostitute to I.S.I.S soldiers. She deserves to be called so in both the literal and figurative way, the cunt.

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Postby Gauthier » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:00 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Great precedent if Germany let a citizen get executed by a foreign country.

"Please let us take our citizen back to face justice by our legal standards."

"Why the fuck should we? You let Iraq execute that ISIS girl. Go screw yourself."

Why not deal with this case by case, depending on how reasonable the sentence is? Execution for being involved in a mass-murdering cult seems pretty reasonable.

Other countries might also have looser standards of justice. Unless solid evidence comes out it's possible the girl was tortured into confessing that she was an ISIS bride soldier.
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Postby Victores » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:20 pm

I support the death penalty for all crimes of this magnitude commited outside of wartime(I only make an exception for that one Japanese guy who genuienely wasn't aware the war ended) against the legitimate government. No matter what age.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:57 pm

Gauthier wrote:
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:Why not deal with this case by case, depending on how reasonable the sentence is? Execution for being involved in a mass-murdering cult seems pretty reasonable.

Other countries might also have looser standards of justice. Unless solid evidence comes out it's possible the girl was tortured into confessing that she was an ISIS bride soldier.

That's the only excuse she has to not be executed. If she was forced into ISIS (which is pretty hard to believe considering she lived no where near a war zone), then she must be forgiven. But if it was willing, then her fate is up to the Iraqi court system.
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Postby Vallermoore » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:10 pm

How about a compromise? Put her through a fake execution so she thinks she is going to die, but have the rope so long that she just falls to the bottom of the gallows pit instead of dying. Then send her back to Europe.

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Postby Chestaan » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:42 pm

Victores wrote:I support the death penalty for all crimes of this magnitude commited outside of wartime(I only make an exception for that one Japanese guy who genuienely wasn't aware the war ended) against the legitimate government. No matter what age.


Firstly, and I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but there is a war going on in Iraq and Syria.

And really, no matter what age? How about, I don't know, seven? Should seven year old child soldiers be executed?
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Postby UniversalCommons » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:12 pm

Prisoner exchange time. I am sure there are some criminals that Iraq would like.

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Postby Herador » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:18 pm

Vallermoore wrote:How about a compromise? Put her through a fake execution so she thinks she is going to die, but have the rope so long that she just falls to the bottom of the gallows pit instead of dying. Then send her back to Europe.

Something tells me that probably counts as torture.
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