ISIS member, German girl of 16, faces death penalty in Iraq.

[Auristania]

All I have heard proves she deserves to hang.

There must be a trial. Evidence is WAY better than random stuff on the Interwebs.

[Cedoria]

Once again, this argument works just as well the other way. War is barbaric enough as it is, so we should not make it moreso by stooping to the depravity of our enemies.

Nothing you said proves my stance the wrong one.

Remember guys, if you kill your enemies, they win.

I didn't say that. I said death should not be a legal punishment.

Nowhere did I indicate that I argued not killing people on the battlefield who are openly in arms. But killing somebody presently shooting at you and killing somebody who is restrained and in custody is very different.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The thought that women join them continues to baffle me. That said, I hope they throw her in jail rather then murder her

[Herador]

The thought that women join them continues to baffle me. That said, I hope they throw her in jail rather then murder her

Promise someone power and a place to belong and you might just be able to get them to do anything.

[Internationalist Bastard]

The thought that women join them continues to baffle me. That said, I hope they throw her in jail rather then murder her

Promise someone power and a place to belong and you might just be able to get them to do anything.

Still, from a group well known for being very oppressive toward women, I dunno, the fact they would join is so odd

[Zakuvia]

Promise someone power and a place to belong and you might just be able to get them to do anything.

Still, from a group well known for being very oppressive toward women, I dunno, the fact they would join is so odd

It shows the ludicrous power of religious indoctrination. These are people who take the literal word of the Quran, as understood in Wahabist circles, seriously. Everything they're doing is to the letter. If you read transcripts of what Al-Baghdadi is after, he seeks nothing less than bringing about the Islamic apocalypse via his war against...well everyone.

(Interesting tidbit: you know who they think will save them from the Western invaders if they do manage to trigger the end-times? Jesus, as bizarre as that sounds. The more you know...)

[Gauthier]

Still, from a group well known for being very oppressive toward women, I dunno, the fact they would join is so odd

It shows the ludicrous power of religious indoctrination. These are people who take the literal word of the Quran, as understood in Wahabist circles, seriously. Everything they're doing is to the letter. If you read transcripts of what Al-Baghdadi is after, he seeks nothing less than bringing about the Islamic apocalypse via his war against...well everyone.

(Interesting tidbit: you know who they think will save them from the Western invaders if they do manage to trigger the end-times? Jesus, as bizarre as that sounds. The more you know...)

Jesus is a respected prophet in Islam. Muslims just don't consider him The Son of God.

[Cedoria]

She joined at 15. Like I said, if you want to talk about where the age of majority should be instead, that's one thing, but eliminating the concept altogether will end up meaning hanging 8 year olds or whatever.

She's legally allowed to consent in Germany to sex and has been since 14. If she's able to legally consent to sex she should be legally allowed to be treated like an adult, especially when it comes to murder

If you don't understand the distinction between the age of consent and age of majority, don't try arguing on legalistic grounds.

[Cedoria]

Good! All Daesh fighters should face justice

People are considered to be minors in Iraq and in Germany and by the UN until they come of age at 18. "Minor" implies "is at least partly excused from her responsibilities because she's too young to know better".

What 15/16 year old joins ISIS because they're bored? She joined to establish a caliphate. She joined to kill innocents. She KNEW what she was doing. Stop assuming all minors are unable to comprehend what their actions actually mean.

We're not assuming it. The law assumes it. Argue whether it's right or wrong as you please, but don't try to say it doesn't say what it does in fact, say.

[Herador]

Promise someone power and a place to belong and you might just be able to get them to do anything.

Still, from a group well known for being very oppressive toward women, I dunno, the fact they would join is so odd

You could make the same arguments for street gangs too, I guess the desire to belong overrides that.

[Greed and Death]

She joined. She knew the consequences, she knew what ISIS was doing. She had the ability to reason and she reasoned wrong.

She should be left in Iraq

She may well be, but should the german government lobby to prevent the death penalty in that case?

Yes she is still a German Citizen and international law frowns on the Execution of minors.

[Fartsniffage]

She may well be, but should the german government lobby to prevent the death penalty in that case?

Yes she is still a German Citizen and international law frowns on the Execution of minors.

But that's only because the world still really needs coal.

[Genivaria]

Yes she is still a German Citizen and international law frowns on the Execution of minors.

But that's only because the world still really needs coal.

[BonziNation]

She joined. She knew the consequences, she knew what ISIS was doing. She had the ability to reason and she reasoned wrong.

She should be left in Iraq

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Still, from a group well known for being very oppressive toward women, I dunno, the fact they would join is so odd

It shows the ludicrous power of religious indoctrination. These are people who take the literal word of the Quran, as understood in Wahabist circles, seriously. Everything they're doing is to the letter. If you read transcripts of what Al-Baghdadi is after, he seeks nothing less than bringing about the Islamic apocalypse via his war against...well everyone.

(Interesting tidbit: you know who they think will save them from the Western invaders if they do manage to trigger the end-times? Jesus, as bizarre as that sounds. The more you know...)

Jesus in Islam and Jesus in Christianity/Catholic/Reformed are two different things. In Islam, he is not the Son of God but is a respected prophet and messenger.

[Bakery Hill]

Remember guys, if you kill your enemies, they win.

I didn't say that. I said death should not be a legal punishment.

Nowhere did I indicate that I argued not killing people on the battlefield who are openly in arms. But killing somebody presently shooting at you and killing somebody who is restrained and in custody is very different.

So are you one of those people who think life in a cell is more "humane"?

[Cedoria]

I didn't say that. I said death should not be a legal punishment.

Nowhere did I indicate that I argued not killing people on the battlefield who are openly in arms. But killing somebody presently shooting at you and killing somebody who is restrained and in custody is very different.

So are you one of those people who think life in a cell is more "humane"?

Nope, never said it. Never claimed it, never even implied it.

[Bakery Hill]

So are you one of those people who think life in a cell is more "humane"?

Nope, never said it. Never claimed it, never even implied it.

Well what else do you want to do to war criminals?

[Herador]

Nope, never said it. Never claimed it, never even implied it.

Well what else do you want to do to war criminals?

Work-release program?

[Bakery Hill]

Well what else do you want to do to war criminals?

Work-release program?

90 hours of community service

[Herador]

Work-release program?

90 hours of community service

Genocide? Well well Mr. Hitler I hope you're prepared for... one hundred hours of roadside cleanup duty.

That'll show'em.

[Bakery Hill]

90 hours of community service

Genocide? Well well Mr. Hitler I hope you're prepared for... one hundred hours of roadside cleanup duty.

That'll show'em.

"well they got me for DUI, .5 over the limit, what about you dude?"
"uhhhh..."
"hey don't I recognise you from somewhere?"

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

She should be extradited to Germany and executed for treason.

[Fartsniffage]

She should be extradited to Germany and executed for treason.

Germany doesn't have the death penalty.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

She should be extradited to Germany and executed for treason.

Germany doesn't have the death penalty.

Hence should.