by Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:42 am
by Thermodolia » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:46 am
by Baltenstein » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:47 am
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:47 am
Thermodolia wrote:She joined. She knew the consequences, she knew what ISIS was doing. She had the ability to reason and she reasoned wrong.
She should be left in Iraq
by Thermodolia » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:49 am
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:51 am
by Torsiedelle » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:04 pm
by Krasny-Volny » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:06 pm
by Nocturnalis » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:15 pm
by El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:29 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Eisen Wolf Reich » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:21 pm
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:22 pm
by Shofercia » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:22 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/german-isis-bride-teenage-iraq-death-penalty-hanging-linda-wenzel-a7952876.html#
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nalty.html
Some stuff:
German ambassadors are attempting to ensure she doesn't get the death penalty, the Iraqi prime minister has said it's out of his hands and is up to the judge and jury.
Iraq is a signatory to international treaties forbidding the use of the death penalty on those under 18, but this might be ignored as the country doesn't really have institutional traditions of the rule of law and such.
She joined ISIS at 15.
She has confessed to killing Iraqi soldiers, but is uncooperative with local authorities, asking to be sent home.
They believe she was a sniper, and was captured with explosives, alongside ISIS' all-female morality police unit, known for brutalizing those in occupied territory.
This is a potential test case, as over a thousand European Jihadists are now being detained following the capture of several ISIS strongholds. (And, unsurprisingly, the media has grabbed on to one of the most controversial to present a false dilemma that won't exist in the vast majority of cases.)
Native Jihadis are likely to face the death penalty or life imprisonment, in comparison, the sentence for German Jihadis if they are handed over will be at maximum 10 years.
Discuss!
In cases where the people joined under 16 i'd say handing them over to Europe is probably for the best, though this does create the unfortunate impression that we're basically just sparing Europeans from death and don't care about Arabs dying for doing the same kind of shit, to dispel that impression I think those who joined over 16 should probably face local judiciaries, with all the consequences that follow from that. I think it would send a clearer message if we wash our hands of those who turn traitor, but then again, it could be argued that that amounts to denying our accountability and duty to sort out this international problem, and would place an undue financial and judicial burden on middle eastern governments and populations.
What should be done with Europeans captured? How forcefully should our objections be lodged with middle eastern governments? Merely asking and being fine if they decline? Etc.
Frankly, I don't know. As I said, I think we should focus on getting the children back, and leaving the adults, though perhaps compensating the local authorities.
As for lobbying to prevent Europeans being subjected to the death penalty, I would prefer governments opposing that penalty lobbied against it in general, or in specific brackets of cases, such as children.
by United Muscovite Nations » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:24 pm
Thermodolia wrote:She joined. She knew the consequences, she knew what ISIS was doing. She had the ability to reason and she reasoned wrong.
She should be left in Iraq
by Valgora » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:25 pm
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by Sanctissima » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:30 pm
by The East Marches II » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:37 pm
Krasny-Volny wrote:She is an unlawful combatant, and therefore exempted from the Geneva Convention.
She was arrested in Iraq and charged with breaking Iraqi law while fighting for a group that has carried out crimes against humanity in both the EU and Iraq. As far as I'm concerned it's not Germany's problem. The Iraqi government should be free to prosecute her however they please.
by Tesernia » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:38 pm
by Genivaria » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:38 pm
She has confessed to killing Iraqi soldiers.
but is uncooperative with local authorities, asking to be sent home
by Hakons » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:39 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:42 pm
by Galloism » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:43 pm
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