by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:41 am
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:44 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:47 am
Keshiland wrote:First, let's start with the 10th amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This amendment states that states are free to do anything they please unless they are prohibited by the constitution to do so. This means that the 1st though 8th amendments are not binding to the states.
Next, let's look at the 14th amendment. Section 1 since that deals the rights.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
This basically states that no matter what state you live in you are a citizen of the USA
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
This does not give you protection under the bill of rights. It literally just bans discrimination based on the state of origin.
nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This gives people the rights from the 5th-8th amendments and protects everyone equally under the law.
This clearly means that your 1st-4th amendments are not protected in the 14th amendment. Thus the right to keep and bear arms is not either.
by Gun Manufacturers » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:47 am
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by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:49 am
Keshiland wrote:Yes I just through the 1st and 4th amendments under the bus but it is worth it to stop gun rights activists from claiming they have a right to a gun in every state
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:50 am
Thermodolia wrote:Keshiland wrote:First, let's start with the 10th amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This amendment states that states are free to do anything they please unless they are prohibited by the constitution to do so. This means that the 1st though 8th amendments are not binding to the states.
Next, let's look at the 14th amendment. Section 1 since that deals the rights.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
This basically states that no matter what state you live in you are a citizen of the USA
No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
This does not give you protection under the bill of rights. It literally just bans discrimination based on the state of origin.
nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This gives people the rights from the 5th-8th amendments and protects everyone equally under the law.
This clearly means that your 1st-4th amendments are not protected in the 14th amendment. Thus the right to keep and bear arms is not either.
The key words you are missing are liberty, property, and due process. The first amendment is liberty, the second is both a liberty and property, the third is all three, and the fourth is due process.
Congrats I just destroyed your argument as the 1st-4th are protected by the 14th.
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:50 am
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by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:52 am
Thermodolia wrote:Keshiland wrote:Yes I just through the 1st and 4th amendments under the bus but it is worth it to stop gun rights activists from claiming they have a right to a gun in every state
So you would rather that people don't have the right to free speech, have troops stationed in their homes without their permission, and allowing the police to raid your house at will, all so the second doesn't exist?
You do know that DPRK exists right?
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:53 am
Keshiland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:The key words you are missing are liberty, property, and due process. The first amendment is liberty, the second is both a liberty and property, the third is all three, and the fourth is due process.
Congrats I just destroyed your argument as the 1st-4th are protected by the 14th.
A state law can be no one is allowed to own a gun. Then if they violate that law and are found guilty that is due prosses.
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:53 am
by Galloism » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:54 am
by The Kiyaku » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:56 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:56 am
Keshiland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:So you would rather that people don't have the right to free speech, have troops stationed in their homes without their permission, and allowing the police to raid your house at will, all so the second doesn't exist?
You do know that DPRK exists right?
No liberal state will touch the 1st or 3rd or 4th so I ain't worried my family resides in liberal states. They would be fine. Conservative states IDK and IDC
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:57 am
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:58 am
Thermodolia wrote:Keshiland wrote:
No liberal state will touch the 1st or 3rd or 4th so I ain't worried my family resides in liberal states. They would be fine. Conservative states IDK and IDC
Ok let's get this through your head. The first 4 amendments aren't for the states but the fucking federal government. If you take them away the federal government can: ban any form of speech, ban any religion, put federal troops in your house, and have the FBI raid your house at will.
You and your state can't do anything because federal law is supreme.
by Galloism » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:00 am
Keshiland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Ok let's get this through your head. The first 4 amendments aren't for the states but the fucking federal government. If you take them away the federal government can: ban any form of speech, ban any religion, put federal troops in your house, and have the FBI raid your house at will.
You and your state can't do anything because federal law is supreme.
Thats what I was saying. They only apply to the FEDERAL governent
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:06 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:07 am
Keshiland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Ok let's get this through your head. The first 4 amendments aren't for the states but the fucking federal government. If you take them away the federal government can: ban any form of speech, ban any religion, put federal troops in your house, and have the FBI raid your house at will.
You and your state can't do anything because federal law is supreme.
Thats what I was saying. They only apply to the FEDERAL governent
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:09 am
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:11 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:12 am
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:12 am
by Thermodolia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:12 am
by Keshiland » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:13 am
Thermodolia wrote:Keshiland wrote:
Congress can only make laws that the constitution allows.
If the 1st-4th amendments don't exist then congress can ban any religion, political belief, or any form of speech they want.
They can also use the FBI to raid the homes of political opponents at will. You are arguing for a dictatorship
by The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia » Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:13 am
Keshiland wrote:Thermodolia wrote:So you would rather that people don't have the right to free speech, have troops stationed in their homes without their permission, and allowing the police to raid your house at will, all so the second doesn't exist?
You do know that DPRK exists right?
No liberal state will touch the 1st or 3rd or 4th so I ain't worried my family resides in liberal states. They would be fine. Conservative states IDK and IDC
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