UK General Election 2010

[Hydesland]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

That seems ridiculously inaccurate.

[Maurepas]

I probably shouldn't have voted in the poll, but, I voted Liberal-Dem anyway, cause that's where I'd go...

[Hydesland]

Somehow, I doubt the accuracy of a chart that puts the Liberal Democrats on the Right-wing of the spectrum.

That's one of the few things accurate about the graph, the Lib Dems have always been free market (the left and right distinction in that graph is purely economic).

[SD_Film Artists]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not but political compass has an interesting take on the parties. I'm not sure how it is possible for them to place some of them quite so high the authoritarian scale:



http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

And according to that I should be supporting Plaid Cymru rather than the Lib Dems.

Do you speak welsh?

Not fluently, but I'm quarter Welsh. It might still be a bit hard to vote for them considering that I live in the far east of Britain rather than the far west.

[Volnotov]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not but political compass has an interesting take on the parties. I'm not sure how it is possible for them to place some of them quite so high the authoritarian scale:



http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

Wtf is that shit?

Are they comparing the BNP with Hitler?

And what the heck?

Labour being extreme-right? Laizzes faire capitalist?

I call... bullshit...

[Natapoc]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

That seems ridiculously inaccurate.

Some of their placements don't seem quite right to me either. Labour is authoritarian but to consider them "almost" as authoritarian as BNP is just not a fair comparison to me.

I also don't see why they would be quite so far to the right on the economic spectrum. I agree with PC that Labour is a right party but not quite that far.

Where would you place the parties?

[Hydesland]

I call... bullshit...

Indeed, the idea that Hitler is only marginally more authoritarian than Brown is obscene.

[Natapoc]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not but political compass has an interesting take on the parties. I'm not sure how it is possible for them to place some of them quite so high the authoritarian scale:



http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

Wtf is that shit?

Are they comparing the BNP with Hitler?

And what the heck?

Labour being extreme-right? Laizzes faire capitalist?

I call... bullshit...

Who would you compare BNP with other then Hitler? The comparison seems reasonable to me.

[North Suran]

I call... bullshit...

Indeed, the idea that Hitler is only marginally more authoritarian than Brown is obscene.

Although there was that time when Brown kept getting compared to Stalin.

All in all, that graph is constructed from the finest ass and piss of the entire population of Yorkshire.

It lists Labour as being even further to the Right-wing than before, even though New Labour has always lurked closer to the centre and, under Brown, is now more inclined to the Left. The Conservatives, even after their "big society" bullshit, are listed as being extreme Right and highly authoritarian. The bloody BNP, a bona-fide Fascist party, is listed on the Right-wing economically and is only marginally more authoritarian than the Democratic Unionist Party.

[Hydesland]

Where would you place the parties?

Lib Dems are the only party that seem about right. Labour, conservative and UKIP all need to be pushed down closer to the centre but a bit above (hell even BNP could be pushed down a little), conservatives need to be pushed leftwards closer to labour, and both labour and conservative need to shift left a tiny bit but not too much. I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

[Volnotov]

I'm not sure if this has been posted yet or not but political compass has an interesting take on the parties. I'm not sure how it is possible for them to place some of them quite so high the authoritarian scale:



http://www.politicalcompass.org/ukparties2010

Wtf is that shit?

Are they comparing the BNP with Hitler?

And what the heck?

Labour being extreme-right? Laizzes faire capitalist?

I call... bullshit...

Who would you compare BNP with other then Hitler? The comparison seems reasonable to me.

I would compare hitler with the National Front.

But not the BNP(The new BNP, not the old one).

[North Suran]

I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

They have policies beyond Euroscepticism?

Pull the other one!

[North Suran]

Who would you compare BNP with other then Hitler? The comparison seems reasonable to me.

I would compare hitler with the National Front.

But not the BNP(The new BNP, not the old one).

If you look at the BNP's economic and political policies, they are genuine Fascists.

[Hydesland]

Who would you compare BNP with other then Hitler? The comparison seems reasonable to me.

Look, they definitely have an incredibly radical immigration policy and are mostly a bit racist (although again, not to the same scale that the Nazis were), but they're not going to go institute a national Gestapo, imprisoning people for the likes of listening to swing music, or hanging people simply for being 'counter-culture'. They're certainly not going to attempt to kill off a specific race or group of people in the UK. In all honestly they're only marginally more 'authoritarian' than Churchill was.

[Maurepas]

Where would you place the parties?

Lib Dems are the only party that seem about right. Labour, conservative and UKIP all need to be pushed down closer to the centre but a bit above (hell even BNP could be pushed down a little), conservatives need to be pushed leftwards closer to labour, and both labour and conservative need to shift left a tiny bit but not too much. I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

Could be that the traditional Right-Skew of the US is muddying things up there...

Those parties could be that far right in the context of the UK...

[North Suran]

Where would you place the parties?

Lib Dems are the only party that seem about right. Labour, conservative and UKIP all need to be pushed down closer to the centre but a bit above (hell even BNP could be pushed down a little), conservatives need to be pushed leftwards closer to labour, and both labour and conservative need to shift left a tiny bit but not too much. I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

Could be that the traditional Right-Skew of the US is muddying things up there...

Those parties could be that far right in the context of the UK...

Hell, by US terms, even the God damn Conservative Party would be dismissed as a collection of pinko Communists.

[Natapoc]

Where would you place the parties?

Lib Dems are the only party that seem about right. Labour, conservative and UKIP all need to be pushed down closer to the centre but a bit above (hell even BNP could be pushed down a little), conservatives need to be pushed leftwards closer to labour, and both labour and conservative need to shift left a tiny bit but not too much. I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

I think they overstated the authoritarian nature of all the parties a bit this time. The best way to fix it I think would be to move all the parties in the upper right quadrant down by one and a half squares and left by half a square*.

Move all the parties in the upper left quadrant down the authoritarian axis by half of a square. The lib dems and greens seem about right. I don't know about SDLP.

edit *except BNP. BNP just goes down about 2/3 of a square.

[Angleter]

I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

They have policies beyond Euroscepticism?

Pull the other one!

Flat rate income tax, PR, etc. Free-market, self-described libertarians, who somehow support the principles of the NHS too.

[North Suran]

I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

They have policies beyond Euroscepticism?

Pull the other one!

Flat rate income tax, PR, etc. Free-market, self-described libertarians, who somehow support the principles of the NHS too.

Free-market libertarians who support government-run healthcare?

Wow.

[Natapoc]

I'm not too up to speed with the economics of UKIP.

They have policies beyond Euroscepticism?

Pull the other one!

Flat rate income tax, PR, etc. Free-market, self-described libertarians, who somehow support the principles of the NHS too.

Free-market libertarians who support government-run healthcare?

Wow.

They probably don't really. I suspect they plan to use a "starve the beast" strategy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

They can claim to support popular programs while also reducing taxes and funding so that a future government is forced to abandon the program due to costs.

[Hydesland]

I think they overstated the authoritarian nature of all the parties a bit this time. The best way to fix it I think would be to move all the parties in the upper right quadrant down by one and a half squares and left by half a square.

Move all the parties in the upper left quadrant down the authoritarian axis by half of a square. The lib dems and greens seem about right. I don't know about SDLP.

I think the upper right quadrant needs to be moved down by more than that, maybe even by 4 squares. But I just think their system is systematically screwed up, and I don't mean the way it reports your results, but the way the people must have worked out other parties. For instance, when I do the test, I usually get put around where the greens are but about 2 squares to the right, yet I consider myself at least as 'free market' as the lib dems.

[Hydesland]

Free-market libertarians who support government-run healthcare?

That's mostly how it works in the UK now. It's just a bit weird to think of a privatised system for us, it's like asking for a privatised court system in the US, sure a few lolbertarians want that but they are the minority in general.

[North Suran]

Free-market libertarians who support government-run healthcare?

That's mostly how it works in the UK now. It's just a bit weird to think of a privatised system for us, it's like asking for a privatised court system in the US, sure a few lolbertarians want that but they are the minority in general.

Even so, that seems a pretty blatant contradiction of their political stance. That is akin to a Communist being in support of the privatisation of government services.

[Hydesland]

Even so, that seems a pretty blatant contradiction of their political stance. That is akin to a Communist being in support of the privatisation of government services.

I disagree. I think for some reason people who describe themselves as free market are taken to mean completely unfettered and totally laissez faire in all sectors, but that's not generally how the term is used in economics.

[Kayliea]

BNP look accurate to me. Scum.