Are the Germans really the bad guys.

[Impaled Nazarene]

The Germans were worse than the Allies during WW1, not necessarily how bad we think they were, but they were practically an absolute monarchy, as was Austria Hungary. The world could have avoided WW2 if during the 1920s the Allies didn't tale so much off of Germany.

Please explain to me how an absolute monarchy is a bad thing.

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

[Engleberg]

"Oppression" is a term normally thrown about to describe anything nowadays.

Not much instability in many absolute monarchies, except with those pesky republicans.

The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation.

So you don't actually know the history of monarchies very well I take it.

Not much instability in many absolute monarchies

The number of uprisings and civil wars says otherwise.

The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation

Yes all that poverty and starvation can be adequately solved by the man qualified by walking out of a certain woman's womb.

As a monarchist, I am quite aware of the history of monarchies and through this determined that the monarchist ideology is the best.

Every nation has uprisings and civil wars, no matter the government type. Every rebel thinks they found a better way to run the government.

It can be solved through legislation, yes.

[Genivaria]

"no instability except those pesky rebels" said everyone with political instability ever

It is true, though. No matter what nation it is there will be annoyances such as that.

Socialists, fascists, republicans, etc.

Hahahaha!
Oh that's rich.

[Holy Tedalonia]

"Oppression" is a term normally thrown about to describe anything nowadays.

Not much instability in many absolute monarchies, except with those pesky republicans.

The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation.

So you don't actually know the history of monarchies very well I take it.

Not much instability in many absolute monarchies

The number of uprisings and civil wars says otherwise.

The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation

Yes all that poverty and starvation can be adequately solved by the man qualified by walking out of a certain woman's womb.

Actually the country stays relatively stable. Stability is the governments ability to keep itself afloat. Most civil wars are fairly on who leads the country, so the government stays fairly the same. This means monarchies are relatively stable

[Genivaria]

So you don't actually know the history of monarchies very well I take it.

The number of uprisings and civil wars says otherwise.

Yes all that poverty and starvation can be adequately solved by the man qualified by walking out of a certain woman's womb.

As a monarchist, I am quite aware of the history of monarchies and through this determined that the monarchist ideology is the best.

Every nation has uprisings and civil wars, no matter the government type. Every rebel thinks they found a better way to run the government.

It can be solved through legislation, yes.

And monarchies have a pretty lousy track record in not getting overthrown because of blatant corruption and abuse of power.

[Engleberg]

Please explain to me how an absolute monarchy is a bad thing.

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

[Genivaria]

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

As opposed to a single man who barely has a clue?
No the fact is that Representative democracy is far better at actually addressing the needs of the nation.

[Senkaku]

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

As opposed to having one person choose what happens, a person who can be manipulated with even greater ease.

yes, these arguments definitely hold up

[Engleberg]

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

As opposed to a single man who barely has a clue?
No the fact is that Representative democracy is far better at actually addressing the needs of the nation.

A representative democracy is a system that barely addresses the needs of anyone. It allows legislation that could be helping people be replaced only a few years later, therefore screwing over those it was benefitting.

[Engleberg]

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

As opposed to having one person choose what happens, a person who can be manipulated with even greater ease.

yes, these arguments definitely hold up

And representatives in republics do not get manipulated?

[Engleberg]

I will also cease this discussion on my side because it will become a threadjack, and we do not want that.

[Genivaria]

As opposed to a single man who barely has a clue?
No the fact is that Representative democracy is far better at actually addressing the needs of the nation.

A representative democracy is a system that barely addresses the needs of anyone. It allows legislation that could be helping people be replaced only a few years later, therefore screwing over those it was benefitting.

A representative democracy is a system that barely addresses the needs of anyone.

Completely false assertion.

It allows legislation that could be helping people be replaced only a few years later, therefore screwing over those it was benefitting.

With a big helping heap of strawmanning. You clearly don't know how these things work.

[Genivaria]

So you don't actually know the history of monarchies very well I take it.

The number of uprisings and civil wars says otherwise.

Yes all that poverty and starvation can be adequately solved by the man qualified by walking out of a certain woman's womb.

Actually the country stays relatively stable. Stability is the governments ability to keep itself afloat. Most civil wars are fairly on who leads the country, so the government stays fairly the same. This means monarchies are relatively stable

The fact you use 'civil war' and 'stable' in the same sentence is truly baffling.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

"Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence." Who the fuck taught them that? They kinda figured it out themselves after centuries of having no political rights, having no wealth whatsoever, and being trampled on by wealthy nobles.
Do try living under a monarch as a peasant as opposed to playing CKII with cheats enabled. Hell for bonus points try living as a peasant under Tsarist Russia where feudalism and pseudo-feudalism survived for a few extra centuries.

[Genivaria]

Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence.

Boy, I sure do love having the "majority" of people choosing what happens in the country. People that can be manipulated at a whim.

"Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence." Who the fuck taught them that? They kinda figured it out themselves after centuries of having no political rights, having no wealth whatsoever, and being trampled on by wealthy nobles.
Do try living under a monarch as a peasant as opposed to playing CKII with cheats enabled. Hell for bonus points try living as a peasant under Tsarist Russia where feudalism and pseudo-feudalism survived for a few extra centuries.

Weren't the Russian Serfs essentially slaves until serfdom was abolished?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Actually the country stays relatively stable. Stability is the governments ability to keep itself afloat. Most civil wars are fairly on who leads the country, so the government stays fairly the same. This means monarchies are relatively stable

The fact you use 'civil war' and 'stable' in the same sentence is truly baffling.

The world baffles us in many ways.

In fact...

Political Instability:
political instability is the propensity of a government collapse.


In no way did civil wars relating to who gets to be king inclined for a country to collapse except for civil wars where rebels are trying to install a Republic or democracy. Which means that revolutionaries cause political instability not nobles.

[Impaled Nazarene]

"Because people are taught to believe that democracy is the best thing in existence." Who the fuck taught them that? They kinda figured it out themselves after centuries of having no political rights, having no wealth whatsoever, and being trampled on by wealthy nobles.
Do try living under a monarch as a peasant as opposed to playing CKII with cheats enabled. Hell for bonus points try living as a peasant under Tsarist Russia where feudalism and pseudo-feudalism survived for a few extra centuries.

Weren't the Russian Serfs essentially slaves until serfdom was abolished?

Considering the birth laws and 0 political rights all Serfs with very few exceptions ('wealthy' peasants/kulaks/etc) were slaves, but i don't use it because of the whole terminology debate.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Please explain to me how an absolute monarchy is a bad thing.

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Not quite, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_ ... monarchies

Although Wikipedia is generally not the best sources, we can agree that Absolute monarchies still exist in some nations, most of which are Islamic nations.

[Proctopeo]

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Not quite, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_ ... monarchies

Although Wikipedia is generally not the best sources, we can agree that Absolute monarchies still exist in some nations, most of which are Islamic nations.

Note that the only one on that list that isn't an Islamic nation is the Vatican, which is a non-hereditary absolute monarchy with a very tiny population.

[Ism]

Gee political freedoms sure do suck. Yeah we enjoy being born into peasantry unable to escape this crippling poverty.
There's a reason Absolute monarchies are virtually extinct. Because people don't like them.

Not quite, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_ ... monarchies

Although Wikipedia is generally not the best sources, we can agree that Absolute monarchies still exist in some nations, most of which are Islamic nations.

7 out of more than 200 is virtually extinct I'd say.

[Genivaria]

Not quite, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_ ... monarchies

Although Wikipedia is generally not the best sources, we can agree that Absolute monarchies still exist in some nations, most of which are Islamic nations.

7 out of more than 200 is virtually extinct I'd say.

Aren't those 7 also ....well...shitholes?
Also, how the hell is the Vatican a monarchy?
Wouldn't something like 'theocratic city state' be more accurate?

[Ism]

7 out of more than 200 is virtually extinct I'd say.

Aren't those 7 also ....well...shitholes?
Also, how the hell is the Vatican a monarchy?
Wouldn't something like 'theocratic city state' be more accurate?

Yeah, I wouldn't call it a monarchy but, that's the source we were using.

[Holy Tedalonia]

7 out of more than 200 is virtually extinct I'd say.

Aren't those 7 also ....well...shitholes?
Also, how the hell is the Vatican a monarchy?
Wouldn't something like 'theocratic city state' be more accurate?

Actually it's a electoral process.

How I remember it was...
Basically you become a bishop by requesting a bishop role from the Poe
Then The cardinals elect a bishop to add in to the cardinal group
Then cardinals vote for a cardinal to replace the pope when he passes away.

[Genivaria]

Aren't those 7 also ....well...shitholes?
Also, how the hell is the Vatican a monarchy?
Wouldn't something like 'theocratic city state' be more accurate?

Actually it's a electoral process.

How I remember it was...
Basically you become a bishop by requesting a bishop role from the Poe
Then The cardinals elect a bishop to add in to the cardinal group
Then cardinals vote for a cardinal to replace the pope when he passes away.

Yes I know how the Papal Election works my issue was with labeling it a monarchy.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Not quite, actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_ ... monarchies

Although Wikipedia is generally not the best sources, we can agree that Absolute monarchies still exist in some nations, most of which are Islamic nations.

Note that the only one on that list that isn't an Islamic nation is the Vatican, which is a non-hereditary absolute monarchy with a very tiny population.

Swaziland would like a word with you.