Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:47 pmExtra men with bagpipes isn't necessary but won't hurt.
Extra men with bagpipes isn't necessary but won't hurt.
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Are the Germans really the bad guys.
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:47 pmExtra men with bagpipes isn't necessary but won't hurt.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:49 pmPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:49 pmPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:49 pmUnited States of Red Dawn wrote:Torrocca wrote:
What are you on about? France was plenty well prepared for a Nazi invasion. It's just that Belgium wasn't, and fell to shambles before an effective Franco-British response could be mounted around the Ardennes.
I wasn't the poster who said that Germany had an easy time of it because "GOOD LOrd they were all unprepared and didn't expect it from Germany!!" ..somehow. That was someone else. I was replying to that idea really.
It's somewhere up-thread.
Maybe if you'd read my post properly, you'd see that I made note that France, unlike the other mainland European countries not allied to the Nazis, was the only one properly prepared for an invasion. And no where did I say that a Nazi invasion was unexpected.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:49 pmVulkata II wrote:If you're a history nerd and/or love either World War 1 or 2, be it the people, the uniforms, the generals, the battles or etc. then you'll know most of what happened to Germany and the German people(Austria-Hungary included).
But to most of the entertainment industry you start to notice that everyone picks the Allies even if the game was set in World War 1. Why is it that you always have to fight Germans in most World War games?
Sure you could say it's because of censors and of course Germany nowadays does not want to be reminded of Hitler and the Nazis(who would?)but still this is history and if you know history then you know what happened through books, eyewitnesses accounts and reliable searches.
Why do we always have to fight the German/Ottoman empire or Austria-Hungary or Nazi Germany? Why can't we fight as the Ottomen in Gallipoli? Is it so wrong to support the losing side?(Please don't tell me I sound like a Nazi sympathizer.)
In RTS games like Company of Heroes seems to be more forgiving of this with you at least commanding two brothers as they fight the Allies in Operation:Market Garden albeit it's maybe inaccurate but to FPS games, the closes they got is letting you fight as a former Nazi scientist as you kill zombies.
And the movie industry is even worse, the only movie I can think of that's neutral is War Horse letting the viewers show how all sides of the war affected everyone but with recent movies like Dunkirk only shows us that the Nazis are evil and that's it.
Der Untergang on the other hand shows us the final days of Hitler and that's really good and satisfies my arguement here but it's still overshadowed on how many movies there are about the Americans doing this and that, it's gonna get redundant someday(don't get me wrong I love America but there are more countries than them.)
Books seem to be the least guilty since both sides wrote stories, poems, biographys and autobiographys of people in both sides in both wars but I've seen stories that just focus on WW2 with either German defectors or Jewish concentration camp escapists.
So what's your thoughts with my confusing rant?
Why do you think Germany is portrayed as this evil nation in both sides?
Edit:Yes I am aware Nazi Germany did bad. Very, very bad but still there were some okay people in Nazi Germant like Erwin Rommel.
I routinely play Germany/Japan/USSR for just this reason. I think the Germans are more interesting to play in general (we all know the Allies won, so to me that game is "easier" than playing the Germans, Soviets or Japanese. Obviously Nazi's are bad, but that doesn't mean you can't have fun playing them for the additional challenge.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:50 pmWell, it won't hurt your military effort.
Sure, but we need to get Obama to give us the Chaos Emeralds first.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:51 pmTorrocca wrote:United States of Red Dawn wrote:I wasn't the poster who said that Germany had an easy time of it because "GOOD LOrd they were all unprepared and didn't expect it from Germany!!" ..somehow. That was someone else. I was replying to that idea really.
It's somewhere up-thread.
Maybe if you'd read my post properly, you'd see that I made note that France, unlike the other mainland European countries not allied to the Nazis, was the only one properly prepared for an invasion. And no where did I say that a Nazi invasion was unexpected.
I also wasn't referring to you. There were two or three other posters saying basically that.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:52 pmUnited States of Red Dawn wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Maybe if you'd read my post properly, you'd see that I made note that France, unlike the other mainland European countries not allied to the Nazis, was the only one properly prepared for an invasion. And no where did I say that a Nazi invasion was unexpected.
I also wasn't referring to you. There were two or three other posters saying basically that.
And NONE of them said that a Nazi invasion was unexpected. Again, had you read my (or their) post(s) properly, you'd see that we explained clearly the situation of Europe by 1939 AS WELL AS why Germany was able to gain so much, and it sure as fuck wasn't because of a competent, top-tier military force.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:55 pmUnited States of Red Dawn wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Maybe if you'd read my post properly, you'd see that I made note that France, unlike the other mainland European countries not allied to the Nazis, was the only one properly prepared for an invasion. And no where did I say that a Nazi invasion was unexpected.
I also wasn't referring to you. There were two or three other posters saying basically that.
A) no we aren't
B) you aren't grasping thr concept of public forum, are you?
C) are you going to tell me what SJW-boogieman is saying it's racist to talk about Japan in WW2?
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:58 pmTorrocca wrote:United States of Red Dawn wrote:I also wasn't referring to you. There were two or three other posters saying basically that.
And NONE of them said that a Nazi invasion was unexpected. Again, had you read my (or their) post(s) properly, you'd see that we explained clearly the situation of Europe by 1939 AS WELL AS why Germany was able to gain so much, and it sure as fuck wasn't because of a competent, top-tier military force.
Oh, excuse me, they said that the nations Germany invaded were "unprepared". Beg pardon. A sliver of a difference.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:59 pmUnited States of Red Dawn wrote:Torrocca wrote:
And NONE of them said that a Nazi invasion was unexpected. Again, had you read my (or their) post(s) properly, you'd see that we explained clearly the situation of Europe by 1939 AS WELL AS why Germany was able to gain so much, and it sure as fuck wasn't because of a competent, top-tier military force.
Oh, excuse me, they said that the nations Germany invaded were "unprepared". Beg pardon. A sliver of a difference.
Yes, there is a difference, glad we could clear that up.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:00 pmUnited States of Red Dawn wrote:Torrocca wrote:
And NONE of them said that a Nazi invasion was unexpected. Again, had you read my (or their) post(s) properly, you'd see that we explained clearly the situation of Europe by 1939 AS WELL AS why Germany was able to gain so much, and it sure as fuck wasn't because of a competent, top-tier military force.
Oh, excuse me, they said that the nations Germany invaded were "unprepared". Beg pardon. A sliver of a difference.
And many of them were. There was, for instance, no proper way for the Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, or Luxembourg to prepare for a Nazi invasion, being the small countries they are. Norway was formidable against the Kriegsmarine but could only do so much; Sweden didn't fight; Czechoslovakia fell without much effort, and Poland and France, though they fought valiantly, also fell - Poland primarily because of the USSR.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 1:09 pmTorrocca wrote:United States of Red Dawn wrote:Oh, excuse me, they said that the nations Germany invaded were "unprepared". Beg pardon. A sliver of a difference.
And many of them were. There was, for instance, no proper way for the Netherlands, Denmark, Belgium, or Luxembourg to prepare for a Nazi invasion, being the small countries they are. Norway was formidable against the Kriegsmarine but could only do so much; Sweden didn't fight; Czechoslovakia fell without much effort, and Poland and France, though they fought valiantly, also fell - Poland primarily because of the USSR.
That and Poland had some pretty outdated tech. I remember in a book the Poland bought some newer modern aircraft from France to help replace the 20 year old PZL.11 Interceptor. But, before the shipment arrived, Poland came under attack and France was getting shot at, so France had to cancel the order and keep the fighters for their airforce. The fighters that they were shipping were M.S. 406's
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:01 pmAlbrenia wrote:WW1 Germans admittedly have been unfairly splashed with some of the ill-will aimed at the Nazis. I wouldn't say they were the 'bad guys' of WW1, at least not in the sense that the Nazis were.
In fact, the reason in part the Nazi Party and Hitler got traction was that they were so ill-used by the victors after WWI.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:37 pmKatganistan wrote:Albrenia wrote:WW1 Germans admittedly have been unfairly splashed with some of the ill-will aimed at the Nazis. I wouldn't say they were the 'bad guys' of WW1, at least not in the sense that the Nazis were.
In fact, the reason in part the Nazi Party and Hitler got traction was that they were so ill-used by the victors after WWI.
Proving I suppose what happens when you alienate and blame large swaths of people at once for something. You get push back, in this case extreme pushback.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:42 pmNo, the Germans like any people were not necessarily bad (Communists don't count as people).
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:47 pmTirtine wrote:No, the Germans like any people were not necessarily bad (Communists don't count as people).
Oh look, another account made recently with no posts on it.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 3:50 pmPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:10 pmTirtine wrote:No, the Germans like any people were not necessarily bad (Communists don't count as people).
Communists do count as people and you would do well to not get into the habit of talk trash like that.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:56 pmFor god's sake, THERE WAS NO FAMINE. Stop with this BS
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:58 pmTanzoria wrote:For god's sake, THERE WAS NO FAMINE. Stop with this BS
Like... potato's or...?
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:04 pmPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:04 pmThe answers
WWII: Obviously the bad guys. Come on. Expansionism, racism, and as soon as the war started, they let the Jews die.
WWI: There could be an argument here, but they were probably on the wrong side. Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia for a small group of people's actions.
WWII: Obviously the bad guys. Come on. Expansionism, racism, and as soon as the war started, they let the Jews die.
WWI: There could be an argument here, but they were probably on the wrong side. Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia for a small group of people's actions.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:20 pmRevisionist history is absolutely vital. Being against it makes about as much sense as being against the exoneration of criminals who are proven innocent.
Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:41 pmFauxia wrote:The answers
WWII: Obviously the bad guys. Come on. Expansionism, racism, and as soon as the war started, they let the Jews die.
WWI: There could be an argument here, but they were probably on the wrong side. Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia for a small group of people's actions.
Serbia was harboring terrorists.