The Lord Commands: Kill Isaac

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't consider killing okay for any reason

But if God were giving the order, to the best of your knowledge, you would?

That there has a precise term: "teleological suspension of the ethical". Phrase was coined by Kierkegaard.

[Internationalist Bastard]

You know, I'm curious more if people here would consider killing their child ok for any reason

I don't consider killing okay for any reason

As do I. Which begs the qustion why we debate if it's ok because god said so

[The Parkus Empire]

I don't consider killing okay for any reason

As do I. Which begs the qustion why we debate if it's ok because god said so

God makes the situation completely alternate to normal reality. Would you stab to death a cancer sufferer during a cancer walk, if it would cause him to miraculously come back to life cured of cancer the next day? You see, this is a peculiar scenario and requires a paradoxical approach.

[Internationalist Bastard]

As do I. Which begs the qustion why we debate if it's ok because god said so

God makes the situation completely alternate to normal reality. Would you stab to death a cancer sufferer during a cancer walk, if it would cause him to miraculously come back to life cured of cancer the next day? You see, this is a peculiar scenario and requires a paradoxical approach.

How would I know however? Gods expecting me to do a lot with no explanation or giving me any confidence in this being a good thing

[Cedoria]

As do I. Which begs the qustion why we debate if it's ok because god said so

God makes the situation completely alternate to normal reality. Would you stab to death a cancer sufferer during a cancer walk, if it would cause him to miraculously come back to life cured of cancer the next day? You see, this is a peculiar scenario and requires a paradoxical approach.

Not really. If he simply told me the person would come back to life, it depends on whether I believe the voice in my head telling me this.

I try not to pay attention to hallucinations, so no.

[The Parkus Empire]

God makes the situation completely alternate to normal reality. Would you stab to death a cancer sufferer during a cancer walk, if it would cause him to miraculously come back to life cured of cancer the next day? You see, this is a peculiar scenario and requires a paradoxical approach.

How would I know however? Gods expecting me to do a lot with no explanation or giving me any confidence in this being a good thing

That is correct, but you know he holds reality itself on a keychain and can literally do anything. So the rules you would apply to reality have to be suspended. The question over the ethics of killing itself becomes virtually irrelevant, as God is the constant furnisher of life, and he can take it away, or bring burnt ashes back together into a living being. He knows all. The question becomes one of trust, which in Hebrew is the same word as faith. Do you trust totally trust God? That's the crux.

[Internationalist Bastard]

God makes the situation completely alternate to normal reality. Would you stab to death a cancer sufferer during a cancer walk, if it would cause him to miraculously come back to life cured of cancer the next day? You see, this is a peculiar scenario and requires a paradoxical approach.

Not really. If he simply told me the person would come back to life, it depends on whether I believe the voice in my head telling me this.

I try not to pay attention to hallucinations, so no.

Actually, this brings up an important point. I'm schizophrenic. I've never had a god telling me to kill someone, but how would I know it's the real deal

[The Parkus Empire]

God makes the situation completely alternate to normal reality. Would you stab to death a cancer sufferer during a cancer walk, if it would cause him to miraculously come back to life cured of cancer the next day? You see, this is a peculiar scenario and requires a paradoxical approach.

Not really. If he simply told me the person would come back to life, it depends on whether I believe the voice in my head telling me this.

I try not to pay attention to hallucinations, so no.

The premise as with the OP, is that it's not an hallucination. The dilemma is not about if it's real but how you respond to it being such.

[Cedoria]

Not really. If he simply told me the person would come back to life, it depends on whether I believe the voice in my head telling me this.

I try not to pay attention to hallucinations, so no.

The premise as with the OP, is that it's not an hallucination. The dilemma is not about if it's real but how you respond to it being such.

But unless you can prove it (or the being talking to you can) you don't know if the terms are real or just a figment of your own imagination. Abraham wouldn't have known either had this episode really occured, and we're supposed to put ourselves in his shoes.

[The Parkus Empire]

The premise as with the OP, is that it's not an hallucination. The dilemma is not about if it's real but how you respond to it being such.

But unless you can prove it (or the being talking to you can) you don't know if the terms are real or just a figment of your own imagination. Abraham wouldn't have known either had this episode really occured, and we're supposed to put ourselves in his shoes.

You can say that about everything.

[The Parkus Empire]

This was far from Abraham's first encounter with God, so if you were in his shoes that would apply.

[Cedoria]

This was far from Abraham's first encounter with God, so if you were in his shoes that would apply.

No, it's his first supposed encounter with somebody claiming to be God. He has no proof that it actually is one.

[Cedoria]

But unless you can prove it (or the being talking to you can) you don't know if the terms are real or just a figment of your own imagination. Abraham wouldn't have known either had this episode really occured, and we're supposed to put ourselves in his shoes.

You can say that about everything.

No, you really can't.

[The Parkus Empire]

This was far from Abraham's first encounter with God, so if you were in his shoes that would apply.

No, it's his first supposed encounter with somebody claiming to be God. He has no proof that it actually is one.

No, it wasn't, he had known and relied on God for years, God was even the one who gave him Isaac.

[The Parkus Empire]

You can say that about everything.

No, you really can't.

Yes, everything could by a figment

[Eclius]

As an atheist, if I gets a vision of someone telling me to kill someone else, I'd probably see a psychiatrist immediately than committing homicide

[The Parkus Empire]

As an atheist, if I gets a vision of someone telling me to kill someone else, I'd probably see a psychiatrist immediately than committing homicide

Hopefully not a cultured, man-eating one.

[Cedoria]

No, you really can't.

Yes, everything could by a figment

Firstly, learn to spell be, or this will get even more superfluous a discussion than it already is.

Secondly, no it couldn't be.

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, everything could by a figment

Firstly, learn to spell be, or this will get even more superfluous a discussion than it already is.

Secondly, no it couldn't be.

Save for what's doing the imagining, aye it hypothetically could

[Albrenia]

Yes, the only thing we can know for sure is that we exist.

"I think, therefore I am... I think."

[Neanderthaland]

Yes, the only thing we can know for sure is that we exist.

"I think, therefore I am... I think."

It's a bit off topic, but I think more than anything else modern neurology gives lie to that phrase. "You" are a collection of several different processes running in tandem in your brain, many of which "you" are unaware of.

In fact, "you" have no more control over the next thought which pops into "your" head then "you" do over what I write next. So it's not really "you" that's thinking at all.

[Genivaria]

Yes, the only thing we can know for sure is that we exist.

"I think, therefore I am... I think."

It's a bit off topic, but I think more than anything else modern neurology gives lie to that phrase. "You" are a collection of several different processes running in tandem in your brain, many of which "you" are unaware of.

In fact, "you" have no more control over the next thought which pops into "your" head then "you" do over what I write next. So it's not really "you" that's thinking at all.

Oh god...Individuality is a lie. We're all just some sort of self-contained hive mind.

[Neanderthaland]

It's a bit off topic, but I think more than anything else modern neurology gives lie to that phrase. "You" are a collection of several different processes running in tandem in your brain, many of which "you" are unaware of.

In fact, "you" have no more control over the next thought which pops into "your" head then "you" do over what I write next. So it's not really "you" that's thinking at all.

Oh god...Individuality is a lie. We're all just some sort of self-contained hive mind.

I AM LEGION!

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Careful. Attempts by the zealous to use STDs rather than dogma often end in advocating lesbian separatism.

I'm not using anything in place of dogma. You are.

Then why bring up STDs? Do you just like to remind yourself that people you disapprove of are suffering?

[Cedoria]

No, it's his first supposed encounter with somebody claiming to be God. He has no proof that it actually is one.

No, it wasn't, he had known and relied on God for years, God was even the one who gave him Isaac.

That still wouldn't prove it was God.

Hypothetically, it could've been any spirit impersonating God. Giving him a child would prove nothing except perhaps raising the odds that the modern day Values Voters are lying to us when they say men and women are necessary for children.