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A Shia in North Korea
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:07 amby Tokora
Let's say that a faithful Islamic Iranian decides to become a missionary and tries to spread the word of Muhammad to North Korea, with predictable results. It starts with his family demanding his release eventually leading to large scale protests led by religious leaders demanding that his release be negotiated. Eventually a year later the North Korean government declares the Iranian dead. How do you think the Iranian government would handle this crisis.
Personally while I think Iran isn't the worst country in the world, its behavior since the revolution doesn't paint an optimistic picture for this scenario. Odds are that the Iranian government would reaffirm its cooperation with North Korea, somehow find an excuse to denounce the missionary, and suppress any protests that happen regardless of its leaders piety. What do you think?
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:09 amby Kennlind
"Let's say that a faithful Islamic Iranian decides to become a missionary and tries to spread the word of Muhammad to North Korea, with predictable results. It starts with his family demanding his release eventually leading to large scale protests led by religious leaders demanding that his release be negotiated. Eventually a year later the North Korean government declares the Iranian dead. How do you think the Iranian government would handle this crisis."
Why would this happen? There is freedom of religion in North Korea.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:10 amby Gig em Aggies
Tokora wrote:Let's say that a faithful Islamic Iranian decides to become a missionary and tries to spread the word of Muhammad to North Korea, with predictable results. It starts with his family demanding his release eventually leading to large scale protests led by religious leaders demanding that his release be negotiated. Eventually a year later the North Korean government declares the Iranian dead. How do you think the Iranian government would handle this crisis.
Personally while I think Iran isn't the worst country in the world, its behavior since the revolution doesn't paint an optimistic picture for this scenario. Odds are that the Iranian government would reaffirm its cooperation with North Korea, somehow find an excuse to denounce the missionary, and suppress and protests that happen regardless of its leaders piety. What do you think?
These what if scenarios just don't fit besides that North Korea and Iran are allies plus I'm pretty sure the Iranian government won't try to convert NK to Islam I just won't happen both in a political and religious sense.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:13 amby Tokora
Kennlind wrote:Why would this happen? There is freedom of religion in North Korea.
And that is why foreign missionaries have
never been detained in North Korea and worshipping the
Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un is
completely optional with no risk of getting exiled to a death camp at all. *facepalm*
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:14 amby Urran
I don't think they would take kindly to it. The North Koreans have spent decades building the Kim dynasty into a pantheon. The ruling family is literally worshiped as gods in a religion called Juche. I don't think that they would appreciate a Shia coming in and spreading the word that "There is no god other than Allah", which is the basis for the Muslim faith. It may end as badly as a Christian saying that there is no God but Jehova.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:16 amby Tokora
Gig em Aggies wrote:These what if scenarios just don't fit besides that North Korea and Iran are allies plus I'm pretty sure the Iranian government won't try to convert NK to Islam I just won't happen both in a political and religious sense.
I wasn't referring to the Iranian government doing the converting, I'm talking about an independent Shia missionary
from Iran who will soon learn about North Korea's religious laws.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:16 amby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat
Tokora wrote:Kennlind wrote:Why would this happen? There is freedom of religion in North Korea.
And that is why foreign missionaries have
never been detained in North Korea and worshipping the
Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un is
completely optional with no risk of getting exiled to a death camp at all. *facepalm*
Look at this sig.
Posted:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:16 amby Kennlind
Tokora wrote:Kennlind wrote:Why would this happen? There is freedom of religion in North Korea.
And that is why foreign missionaries have
never been detained in North Korea and worshipping the
Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un is
completely optional with no risk of getting exiled to a death camp at all. *facepalm*
This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:17 amby Tokora
Urran wrote:I don't think they would take kindly to it. The North Koreans have spent decades building the Kim dynasty into a pantheon. The ruling family is literally worshiped as gods in a religion called Juche. I don't think that they would appreciate a Shia coming in and spreading the word that "There is no god other than Allah", which is the basis for the Muslim faith. It may end as badly as a Christian saying that there is no God but Jehova.
That I already figured out, I just wanted to see if Iran would have anything to say about the man's well being.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:20 amby Holy Tedalonia
Kennlind wrote:"Let's say that a faithful Islamic Iranian decides to become a missionary and tries to spread the word of Muhammad to North Korea, with predictable results. It starts with his family demanding his release eventually leading to large scale protests led by religious leaders demanding that his release be negotiated. Eventually a year later the North Korean government declares the Iranian dead. How do you think the Iranian government would handle this crisis."
Why would this happen? There is freedom of religion in North Korea.
I remember the days of Soviet Russia those poor orthodox....
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:21 amby Community Values
Kennlind wrote:Tokora wrote:And that is why foreign missionaries have
never been detained in North Korea and worshipping the
Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un is
completely optional with no risk of getting exiled to a death camp at all. *facepalm*
This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
I don't think that's correct. What proof do you have?
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:26 amby Kennlind
Community Values wrote:Kennlind wrote:This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
I don't think that's correct. What proof do you have?
I recommend reading Chapter V of the Korean Constitution.Holy Tedalonia wrote:Kennlind wrote:"Let's say that a faithful Islamic Iranian decides to become a missionary and tries to spread the word of Muhammad to North Korea, with predictable results. It starts with his family demanding his release eventually leading to large scale protests led by religious leaders demanding that his release be negotiated. Eventually a year later the North Korean government declares the Iranian dead. How do you think the Iranian government would handle this crisis."
Why would this happen? There is freedom of religion in North Korea.
I remember the days of Soviet Russia those poor orthodox....
I hate the USSR
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:26 amby Kennlind
Community Values wrote:Kennlind wrote:This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
I don't think that's correct. What proof do you have?
Chapter V of the Korean Constitution 
Posted:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:28 amby Holy Tedalonia
Kim Jon Un was like SECURITY ALERT!!!! That's why...
Posted:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:29 amby Community Values
Show it in practice, all you've shown is that it seems that Kim Jong Un is unconstitutional.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:29 amby Pilarcraft
Let's suppose in this situation that DPRK is in fact the hell-hole the average country says it is (being Iranian, i can affirm that Iranian people (and, in some cases, even the Iranian Government) do not in fact hold The North Korea in the highest regards, some of their policies too oppressive even for a theocratic regime that rose to the top by eliminating (Assassination, illegalization, sending to war to die, forcing into silence, name it and it was probably done in the first ten years after the revolution) most figures with a different political view.
To be precise, I think that Iranian government would not in fact try to make this missionary (and, to be honest, The Shia Government won't just miss that shia dude who just died in the DPRK) into some rogue agent, and while no immediate military action would take place, there would be some words exchanged (and, the probability of some Jihad being called for from the Leader in iran)
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:29 amby Kennlind
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Kim Jon Un was like SECURITY ALERT!!!! That's why...
Okay so as expected you can't debunk anything I'm saying and just say stupid, irrelevant shit like that. Got it, I'll pretend I'm surprised.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:32 amby Holy Tedalonia
Kennlind wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Kim Jon Un was like SECURITY ALERT!!!! That's why...
Okay so as expected you can't debunk anything I'm saying and just say stupid, irrelevant shit like that. Got it, I'll pretend I'm surprised.
*shrug*
Wasn't debunking. Kim is obsessed with national defense. Damaged some American college students in the name of such a defense.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:32 amby Proctopeo
Likely an international incident that could lead to the end of North Korea as an independent state, or at least the end of Chinese support.
Remember that freedom of religion is just an illusion in North Korea, although you can practice it in secret.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:33 amby Blairwood
Except for the fact that you can vote for two partys in America, plus third partys.
You only have one choice in NK, "glorious" Workers Party.
Not to mention the whole
Prison camp thing.
Anyway, in response to the OP, I'd hope that Abrahamic religions would join together and get that Missionary out.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:37 amby Tokora
Kennlind wrote:Tokora wrote:And that is why foreign missionaries have
never been detained in North Korea and worshipping the
Glorious Leader Kim Jong-un is
completely optional with no risk of getting exiled to a death camp at all. *facepalm*
This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ AND SYRIA IS LITERALLY MORE FREE THAN NORTH KOREA! 
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:38 amby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat
Tokora wrote:Kennlind wrote:This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ AND SYRIA IS LITERALLY MORE FREE THAN NORTH KOREA!
Look at his sig. "Oh, but the filthy NWO Americans!"
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:39 amby Victores
Tokora wrote:Kennlind wrote:This is what someone who's never been to DPRK will say. North Korea is objectively more free than the United States.
THE ISLAMIC STATE OF IRAQ AND SYRIA IS LITERALLY MORE FREE THAN NORTH KOREA!
Why do people always equate free with good? Would you want to live in a country where you can freely steal and murder?
Realistically, it would never happen. If North Korea pisses off Iran thats the end. That would leave them with literally no allies. Zhou Yong Kon is getting purgest any day now and that would mean the end of Chinese support.
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:39 amby Kennlind
Blairwood wrote:Except for the fact that you can vote for two partys in America, plus third partys.
You only have one choice in NK, "glorious" Workers Party.
Not to mention the whole
Prison camp thing.
Anyway, in response to the OP, I'd hope that Abrahamic religions would join together and get that Missionary out.
Wow a two party dictatorship
how democratic! How could it get even more democratic? Oh I know! make the candidate with the second most votes become president over the candidate with the most! Ain't that just democratic!
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Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:41 amby Holy Tedalonia
Kennlind wrote:Blairwood wrote:Except for the fact that you can vote for two partys in America, plus third partys.
You only have one choice in NK, "glorious" Workers Party.
Not to mention the whole
Prison camp thing.
Anyway, in response to the OP, I'd hope that Abrahamic religions would join together and get that Missionary out.
Wow a two party dictatorship
how democratic! How could it get even more democratic? Oh I know! make the candidate with the second most votes become president over the candidate with the most! Ain't that just democratic!
Don't you know we're technically a Republic... it's vote by county, trump got more countys