American schools have a sub-standard model yes.
That is another issue.
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by Genivaria » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:01 pm
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Genivaria wrote:I think 'school choice' is code for 'budget cuts for public schools'.
So no.
How much money public schools get doesn't matter.
by Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:02 pm
by Wallenburg » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:04 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:Yes, I did.
The teachers were good; it's just that lower-class people don't always have education as their top priority.
That is true. But how would removing funding help? You should remember the cramped classes, outdated textbooks, and the waiting your turn for a test cuz you need to borrow a pencil. How does paying teachers less and buying new materials less often and in lower stock, help in any way
by Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:05 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:That is true. But how would removing funding help? You should remember the cramped classes, outdated textbooks, and the waiting your turn for a test cuz you need to borrow a pencil. How does paying teachers less and buying new materials less often and in lower stock, help in any way
Nobody said anything about removing funding.
by Aclion » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:05 pm
Wallenburg wrote:I wasn't aware this was a debate. Why would anyone oppose allowing children to go to schools outside their designated zoning?
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:That is true. But how would removing funding help? You should remember the cramped classes, outdated textbooks, and the waiting your turn for a test cuz you need to borrow a pencil. How does paying teachers less and buying new materials less often and in lower stock, help in any way
Nobody said anything about removing funding.
by VoVoDoCo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 pm
Genivaria wrote:Taihei Tengoku wrote:How much money public schools get doesn't matter.
Quote me where it says that, please.
by Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Taihei Tengoku wrote:If it makes you feel any better the heroic polymaths who ushered in the modern world were also homeschooled then.
Einstein: a Catholic elementary school, the Luitpold Gymnasium in Munich, Argovian cantonal school (gymnasium) in Aarau, Switzerland
Nils Bohr: Gammelholm Latin School
Paul Dirac: Bishop Road Primary School and then at the all-boys Merchant Venturers' Technical College (later Cotham School)
Wolfgang Pauli: the Döblinger-Gymnasium in Vienna
Richard Feynman: Far Rockaway High School, a school in Far Rockaway, Queens, which was also attended by fellow Nobel laureates Burton Richter and Baruch Samuel Blumberg
Just to name a few.
by Wallenburg » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:14 pm
Aclion wrote:Wallenburg wrote:I wasn't aware this was a debate. Why would anyone oppose allowing children to go to schools outside their designated zoning?
Leaving aside people reacting along party line because they have little knowledge of what school choice is... It's fundamentally a disagreement about what funding for schools is for; educating students, or supporting public employees. The biggest opposition to school choice comes not from students, or parents but from teachers unions.
Genivaria wrote:Wallenburg wrote:Nobody said anything about removing funding.
Then what gets cut to pay for the vouchers? Because SOMETHING gets cut and usually it's the school budget.
Hell in Texas we have our schools partly paid by the fucking Texas Lotto as an excuse to funding from taxes, the overall budget went down of course.
by Farnhamia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:15 pm
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Farnhamia wrote:Einstein: a Catholic elementary school, the Luitpold Gymnasium in Munich, Argovian cantonal school (gymnasium) in Aarau, Switzerland
Nils Bohr: Gammelholm Latin School
Paul Dirac: Bishop Road Primary School and then at the all-boys Merchant Venturers' Technical College (later Cotham School)
Wolfgang Pauli: the Döblinger-Gymnasium in Vienna
Richard Feynman: Far Rockaway High School, a school in Far Rockaway, Queens, which was also attended by fellow Nobel laureates Burton Richter and Baruch Samuel Blumberg
Just to name a few.
You are listing theoretical physicists from well within the modern era. Turn the clock back a century or two.
by VoVoDoCo » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:15 pm
Genivaria wrote:Taihei Tengoku wrote:How much money public schools get doesn't matter.
Quote me where it says that, please.
by MERIZoC » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:16 pm
Geilinor wrote:MERIZoC wrote:
Draw kids from all over and bus them to randomized schools. That way you don't have racial segregation and massive inequities between the districts in the city and the suburbs.
That wouldn't be a good solution. Kids would be sitting on buses for hours and it would take valuable time away.
Kenmoria wrote:MERIZoC wrote:
Draw kids from all over and bus them to randomized schools. That way you don't have racial segregation and massive inequities between the districts in the city and the suburbs.
That seems like an extremely complex and chaotic plan which would massively increase every school's administration budget. If you take the USA then each van would have to travel kilometres just for one child living in a different state to all the others.
by Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:21 pm
by Narland » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:30 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:The debate for and against school choice is a well-known one. Some say that parents should have a right to choose a school for their children, others say that it's better to make every child from a certain district go to a certain school.
And what position do you have?
Personally, I support school choice.
I think it's good for fighting inequality, as the quality of children's education wouldn't depend on the parents' ability to pay for a house in an area with good schools in such a system.
by Great Nepal » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:43 pm
Genivaria wrote:Petrolheadia wrote:Are there many places like this?
Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.
Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:45 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Aclion wrote:
Leaving aside people reacting along party line because they have little knowledge of what school choice is... It's fundamentally a disagreement about what funding for schools is for; educating students, or supporting public employees. The biggest opposition to school choice comes not from students, or parents but from teachers unions.
That's rather confusing. Aren't teachers paid regardless of what towns their students are from?Genivaria wrote:Then what gets cut to pay for the vouchers? Because SOMETHING gets cut and usually it's the school budget.
Hell in Texas we have our schools partly paid by the fucking Texas Lotto as an excuse to funding from taxes, the overall budget went down of course.
Since when were we talking about vouchers?
by Farnhamia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:53 pm
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by Farnhamia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:04 pm
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Farnhamia wrote:It's almost like you have your goalposts on wheels.
It reveals that the nightmare scenario (school choice will just lead to schooling being bought by those who can pay for them) isn't actually bad--it actually created the rather good place we are in. The merits of education are obvious to those who care, because education and its rewards are private, not public goods. Treating it like a public good is just the propaganda line for an ulterior motive of the state.
by Community Values » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:29 pm
by Ramune and Chocolate » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:25 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Taihei Tengoku wrote:It reveals that the nightmare scenario (school choice will just lead to schooling being bought by those who can pay for them) isn't actually bad--it actually created the rather good place we are in. The merits of education are obvious to those who care, because education and its rewards are private, not public goods. Treating it like a public good is just the propaganda line for an ulterior motive of the state.
Hmmm, "the propaganda line for an ulterior motive of the state." Good to know.
by Forsher » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:29 pm
Petrolheadia wrote:The debate for and against school choice is a well-known one. Some say that parents should have a right to choose a school for their children, others say that it's better to make every child from a certain district go to a certain school.
And what position do you have?
Personally, I support school choice.
I think it's good for fighting inequality, as the quality of children's education wouldn't depend on the parents' ability to pay for a house in an area with good schools in such a system.
Has anybody been to Rome or Venice?
Florence? No. The other candidates will have been and have done courses on what they've seen. So they'll know, when they do an essay on the Church at the time of the Reformation,
that, oh, look, some silly nonsense on the foreskins of Christ will come in handy, so that their essays, unlike yours, will not be dull. They're not even bad, they're just boring. You haven't got a hope [of getting into Oxbridge].
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