Do you support school choice?

[Farnhamia]

While true, I don't think a bunch of inbred brats who bankrupted their countries and fought wars over minor squabbles are a great way to champion an education system

If it makes you feel any better the heroic polymaths who ushered in the modern world were also homeschooled then.

Einstein: a Catholic elementary school, the Luitpold Gymnasium in Munich, Argovian cantonal school (gymnasium) in Aarau, Switzerland
Nils Bohr: Gammelholm Latin School
Paul Dirac: Bishop Road Primary School and then at the all-boys Merchant Venturers' Technical College (later Cotham School)
Wolfgang Pauli: the Döblinger-Gymnasium in Vienna
Richard Feynman: Far Rockaway High School, a school in Far Rockaway, Queens, which was also attended by fellow Nobel laureates Burton Richter and Baruch Samuel Blumberg

Just to name a few.

[Genivaria]

And what if the "good school" is more than two hours away from their home?
I think the only way to fight inequality is a good, state-run school, financed through national taxation, and available to everybody.

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

[Wallenburg]

I wasn't aware this was a debate. Why would anyone oppose allowing children to go to schools outside their designated zoning?

[Taihei Tengoku]

I think 'school choice' is code for 'budget cuts for public schools'.
So no.

How much money public schools get doesn't matter.

[Petrolheadia]

Are there many places like this?[background=][/background]

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

Yes, because how dare schools improve by themselves.

[Farnhamia]

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

The thing is, at some point in the later 20th century, people were horn-swoggled into believing that they could have a world-class education system without having to pay for it. "Taxes are theft!" (though not quite in so many words). Once that lie took hold, it was an easy step to "Our public schools suck, we have to let parents choose!" Of course they suck, now, though I'm not one of those who believes the American education system is beyond repair.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

Yes, because how dare schools improve by themselves.

But all their funding is still public. Without money they can't get better

[Genivaria]

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

Yes, because how dare schools improve by themselves.

.....Do what?

[Taihei Tengoku]

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

It actually is the best idea because education (specifically, your teacher's time) is a private good and its benefits (your thoughts) are also private goods. Public education is good for goals of the state: maintaining social homogeneity, patriotism, and identifying high-IQ technicians early, which is unsurprisingly what the inventors of public education, the Prussians, used it for.

[Proto-Sicilia]

I support it throughly. I grew up in the New York public school system which is notoriously corrupt and flawed in both the city and Long Island (where i'm from) in fact my district broke federal law (and got away with it!). If it gets kids out of that then yes, let parents decide their child's educational future.

[Genivaria]

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

It actually is the best idea because education (specifically, your teacher's time) is a private good and its benefits (your thoughts) are also private goods. Public education is good for goals of the state: maintaining social homogeneity, patriotism, and identifying high-IQ technicians early, which is unsurprisingly what the inventors of public education, the Prussians, used it for.

You just perfectly described a national investment.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

To my knowledge outside of cities private schools are isolated

? Parochial schools are everywhere.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Treating education like a business instead of a national investment is not a good basis if the goal is actually educating your people.

It actually is the best idea because education (specifically, your teacher's time) is a private good and its benefits (your thoughts) are also private goods. Public education is good for goals of the state: maintaining social homogeneity, patriotism, and identifying high-IQ technicians early, which is unsurprisingly what the inventors of public education, the Prussians, used it for.

Yes because I'm such a patriot after school brainwashed me

[Petrolheadia]

Yes, because how dare schools improve by themselves.

But all their funding is still public. Without money they can't get better

As the Toyota Way says, "Use skill, not money".

[Taihei Tengoku]

It actually is the best idea because education (specifically, your teacher's time) is a private good and its benefits (your thoughts) are also private goods. Public education is good for goals of the state: maintaining social homogeneity, patriotism, and identifying high-IQ technicians early, which is unsurprisingly what the inventors of public education, the Prussians, used it for.

You just perfectly described a national investment.

In everything besides "actual education." It was a national investment in its army, not its workforce--Germany was a second-rate economy until post-war Americanization.

[Internationalist Bastard]

But all their funding is still public. Without money they can't get better

As the Toyota Way says, "Use skill, not money".

Did you go to a low income school?

[Petrolheadia]

It actually is the best idea because education (specifically, your teacher's time) is a private good and its benefits (your thoughts) are also private goods. Public education is good for goals of the state: maintaining social homogeneity, patriotism, and identifying high-IQ technicians early, which is unsurprisingly what the inventors of public education, the Prussians, used it for.

You just perfectly described a national investment.

National investment is a sort of business, just with a higher service quality instead of a higher profit.

[Petrolheadia]

As the Toyota Way says, "Use skill, not money".

Did you go to a low income school?

The best thing for schools is increasing the teaching quality, not the budget.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Did you go to a low income school?

The best thing for schools is increasing the teaching quality, not the budget.

Did you go to a low income school?

[Taihei Tengoku]

As the Toyota Way says, "Use skill, not money".

Did you go to a low income school?

Low-income schools often spend exorbitant amounts of money per student. Camden is a shithole and barely produces anybody smart but spends more per pupil than 1%er Bergen County.

[Genivaria]

Did you go to a low income school?

The best thing for schools is increasing the teaching quality, not the budget.

Budgets affect number of teachers and therefore classroom sizes.
The budget is most certainly not a non-issue.

[Wallenburg]

Yes, because how dare schools improve by themselves.

But all their funding is still public. Without money they can't get better

No amount of money will help if schools keep using terrible teaching methods.

[Petrolheadia]

The best thing for schools is increasing the teaching quality, not the budget.

Did you go to a low income school?

Yes, I did.

The teachers were good; it's just that lower-class people don't always have education as their top priority.

[Taihei Tengoku]

The best thing for schools is increasing the teaching quality, not the budget.

Budgets affect number of teachers and therefore classroom sizes.
The budget is most certainly not a non-issue.

You think they're going to split that funding between more people?

[Genivaria]

Budgets affect number of teachers and therefore classroom sizes.
The budget is most certainly not a non-issue.

You think they're going to split that funding between more people?

I do not understand your thinking.