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Postby Kenmoria » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:15 am

Galloism wrote:
Aellex wrote:Twould be sad if such was the case, honestly. Socialising in school is very important for a child's development and that's why I see of a bad eye home-schooling.

Teleportation might be invented instead.

Okay, teleportation would cost absolutely loads due to the way in which it must work. There are two methods. Firstly it could be the result of some meachanism to accelerate the bodd to extremely high speeds, the accelearation due to this would cause severe internal bleeding and most likely result in death. This method would involve some energy ounce being converted into kinetic which would mean the initial energy source would have to absolutely massive and thus cost far too much to be profitable.

Secondly and more realistically, a scanner would read every molecule of the body and covert it into an electromagnetic signal which would be sent to a device elsewhere which would reassemble the person based on the information decided. Not only would the object being transported have a high risk of some malformation due to the air bending the electromagnetic waves and distorting the end result, but also the information would be so great in volume it would take a very long time to create whilst the person was being destroyed and this could cause a high risk of the end result being flawed. This method would also cost an absurd amount of money due to the need for the ability to re-create atoms.

tl;dr - teleportation is both highly unlikely and would cost too much to be profitable
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Postby Galloism » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:16 am

Kenmoria wrote:
Galloism wrote:Teleportation might be invented instead.

Okay, teleportation would cost absolutely loads due to the way in which it must work. There are two methods. Firstly it could be the result of some meachanism to accelerate the bodd to extremely high speeds, the accelearation due to this would cause severe internal bleeding and most likely result in death. This method would involve some energy ounce being converted into kinetic which would mean the initial energy source would have to absolutely massive and thus cost far too much to be profitable.

Secondly and more realistically, a scanner would read every molecule of the body and covert it into an electromagnetic signal which would be sent to a device elsewhere which would reassemble the person based on the information decided. Not only would the object being transported have a high risk of some malformation due to the air bending the electromagnetic waves and distorting the end result, but also the information would be so great in volume it would take a very long time to create whilst the person was being destroyed and this could cause a high risk of the end result being flawed. This method would also cost an absurd amount of money due to the need for the ability to re-create atoms.

tl;dr - teleportation is both highly unlikely and would cost too much to be profitable

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Postby Crylante » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:28 am

Regardless, we need to address academic underachievement in deprived areas, and there are many ways in which this could be addressed, yet I do not particularly think that school choice would make much of an effect on this.
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Postby Great Nepal » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:45 am

Crylante wrote:Regardless, we need to address academic underachievement in deprived areas, and there are many ways in which this could be addressed, yet I do not particularly think that school choice would make much of an effect on this.

I think it'll help, atleast compared to housing based system since it divorces parent's income from child's education to much greater degree.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:59 am

Aellex wrote:
Galloism wrote:Holograms are going to render "going to school" a nonevent anyway.

Twould be sad if such was the case, honestly. Socialising in school is very important for a child's development and that's why I see of a bad eye home-schooling.

Why would you socialize your kid at school? Almost every social connection they form there is destroyed after graduation.
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Postby Aellex » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:01 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Why would you socialize your kid at school? Almost every social connection they form there is destroyed after graduation.

Not every. I'm still keeping contact with more than a dozen of my old classmates, some since almost 6 years.
And socialising is a skill to develop. If one never learns it nor practice it, they will be severely impaired in their adult life.
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Postby Trumptonium » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:22 pm

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What a great way to cause division.

I'm extremely surprised the "nativist" doesn't want black people in school with his kids (or, who am I kidding, himself)


I was one of six white people out of 60-70 kids in my year in a state primary school in the United Kingdom. The succeeding years were even less white, and I'd shoot a good guess my old primary school has no white Briton in it today.

Don't tell me what to think, thanks.

Four of us were immigrants and only two were white Brits, so they must have felt even worse. Either way I have grown up to have little to no contact with non-whites as a result and before I started my naturalisation period of my life my entire social life was limited to other Poles, just like all other Somalians kept to all other Somalians, all other Pakistanis to other Pakistanis, et al. The teachers must have had a funny view looking at the playground with so much yet so little diversity.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:28 pm

Aellex wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:Why would you socialize your kid at school? Almost every social connection they form there is destroyed after graduation.

Not every. I'm still keeping contact with more than a dozen of my old classmates, some since almost 6 years.
And socialising is a skill to develop. If one never learns it nor practice it, they will be severely impaired in their adult life.

That's good to hear, but anecdotes aren't data.

Homeschooling rarely ever means the kids are only taught by their parents and each household is a Ruby Ridge unto itself. Families who homeschool together cooperate with each other and the social connections you form there are often on a basis other than "I just see you five times a week." One imagines how socially impaired the aristocracy was in premodern Europe, where homeschooling was par for the course.
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Postby Risottia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:30 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:The debate for and against school choice is a well-known one. Some say that parents should have a right to choose a school for their children, others say that it's better to make every child from a certain district go to a certain school.

And what position do you have?

Personally, I support school choice.
I think it's good for fighting inequality, as the quality of children's education wouldn't depend on the parents' ability to pay for a house in an area with good schools in such a system.

And what if the "good school" is more than two hours away from their home?
I think the only way to fight inequality is a good, state-run school, financed through national taxation, and available to everybody.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:09 pm

I support school choice. I don't support defunding public education which people seem to think will enhance school choice
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Postby Pogromistan » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:16 pm

If done properly school choice could be a great equalizer, however, to function properly you'd need to insure that the schools can't be selective, provide for transit of students, and that the voucher covers the entirety of the cost of tuition. This is unfortunately not how school voucher systems function currently.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:17 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Aellex wrote:Not every. I'm still keeping contact with more than a dozen of my old classmates, some since almost 6 years.
And socialising is a skill to develop. If one never learns it nor practice it, they will be severely impaired in their adult life.

That's good to hear, but anecdotes aren't data.

Homeschooling rarely ever means the kids are only taught by their parents and each household is a Ruby Ridge unto itself. Families who homeschool together cooperate with each other and the social connections you form there are often on a basis other than "I just see you five times a week." One imagines how socially impaired the aristocracy was in premodern Europe, where homeschooling was par for the course.

While true, I don't think a bunch of inbred brats who bankrupted their countries and fought wars over minor squabbles are a great way to champion an education system
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:18 pm

I think 'school choice' is code for 'budget cuts for public schools'.
So no.

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Postby Herador » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:28 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:That's good to hear, but anecdotes aren't data.

Homeschooling rarely ever means the kids are only taught by their parents and each household is a Ruby Ridge unto itself. Families who homeschool together cooperate with each other and the social connections you form there are often on a basis other than "I just see you five times a week." One imagines how socially impaired the aristocracy was in premodern Europe, where homeschooling was par for the course.

While true, I don't think a bunch of inbred brats who bankrupted their countries and fought wars over minor squabbles are a great way to champion an education system

All I'm saying is that the Hapsburg's had the right idea about a lot of things.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:29 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:That's good to hear, but anecdotes aren't data.

Homeschooling rarely ever means the kids are only taught by their parents and each household is a Ruby Ridge unto itself. Families who homeschool together cooperate with each other and the social connections you form there are often on a basis other than "I just see you five times a week." One imagines how socially impaired the aristocracy was in premodern Europe, where homeschooling was par for the course.

While true, I don't think a bunch of inbred brats who bankrupted their countries and fought wars over minor squabbles are a great way to champion an education system

If it makes you feel any better the heroic polymaths who ushered in the modern world were also homeschooled then.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:31 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:While true, I don't think a bunch of inbred brats who bankrupted their countries and fought wars over minor squabbles are a great way to champion an education system

If it makes you feel any better the heroic polymaths who ushered in the modern world were also homeschooled then.

Seems like a better choice.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:31 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:While true, I don't think a bunch of inbred brats who bankrupted their countries and fought wars over minor squabbles are a great way to champion an education system

All I'm saying is that the Hapsburg's had the right idea about a lot of things.

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Postby Herador » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:32 pm

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That's.......a human.............

Mostly.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:35 pm

Genivaria wrote:I think 'school choice' is code for 'budget cuts for public schools'.
So no.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:That's.......a human.............

Mostly.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm

Risottia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:The debate for and against school choice is a well-known one. Some say that parents should have a right to choose a school for their children, others say that it's better to make every child from a certain district go to a certain school.

And what position do you have?

Personally, I support school choice.
I think it's good for fighting inequality, as the quality of children's education wouldn't depend on the parents' ability to pay for a house in an area with good schools in such a system.

And what if the "good school" is more than two hours away from their home?
I think the only way to fight inequality is a good, state-run school, financed through national taxation, and available to everybody.

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:37 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I think 'school choice' is code for 'budget cuts for public schools'.
So no.

Well, and I think the sky was painted with a rattlecan.

Good for you.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:38 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Risottia wrote:And what if the "good school" is more than two hours away from their home?
I think the only way to fight inequality is a good, state-run school, financed through national taxation, and available to everybody.

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

Public schools don't need competition, they need money to try to compete
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:39 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Risottia wrote:And what if the "good school" is more than two hours away from their home?
I think the only way to fight inequality is a good, state-run school, financed through national taxation, and available to everybody.

Are there many places like this?

Besides, school choice would mean better education, with even public schools having to compete for students.

To my knowledge outside of cities private schools are isolated
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