Obliterated girl strikes back

[The Alma Mater]

Remember that big thread about a lesbian girl who was not allowed to attend the prom with her girlfriend in a tux ?
You know, where the school decided to cancel the prom rather than to stop discriminating ?

Well - if not: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=40484

There was some debate if the school was violating her rights.
Today, the court answered that question with a "yes" ( however, it did not force the school to hold the prom anyway).

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/03/23/mi ... ians.prom/

Does this change the minds of the people that called her a whiner ?

[UNIverseVERSE]

Of course it won't. Why would bigots change their minds due to evidence?

[Karsol]

Woot!

[Ermarian]

The irony here would be if she gets enough in restitution to organize an open prom.

Unlikely in every sense, yes. But a nice mental picture.

[The Tofuberg]

Well, perhaps not as good as it could've been, but it's great news nonetheless.

The irony here would be if she gets enough in restitution to organize an open prom.

If I recall the previous thread correctly, a local hotel offered to host (and fund?) an open prom.

[Flameswroth]

Of course it won't. Why would bigots change their minds due to evidence?

To be honest, the court decision is not evidence of her not being whiny. In fact, court decisions aren't really evidence of anything, at least not in the conventional sense of 'evidence'. They just set a precedent.

She's still a whiner to me, but she wanted to be. That's what it's all about when you're making a statement. Now whether being a 'whiner' has a negative connotation in this context is up to interpretation.

Of course, the court did not order the school to resume the prom, and instead a private, parent-sponsored prom is being held. So I'm alright with how things ended up.

[JuNii]

don't think anyone said the school WASN'T discriminating against her. (or if they were, they were few and far between) but people were saying the school had the right to cancel the event.

but also ruled that he would not order the school district to hold the event.

however...

"Defendants testified that a parent-sponsored prom, which is open to all IAHS students, has been planned and is scheduled for April 2, 2010," Davidson wrote. "Though the details of the 'private' prom are unknown to the court, defendants have made representations, upon which this court relies, that all IAHS students, including the plaintiff, are welcome and encouraged to attend."

Requiring school officials "to step back into a sponsorship role at this late date would only confuse and confound the community on the issue. Parents have taken the initiative to plan and pay for a 'private' prom for the juniors and seniors of IAHS and to now require defendants to host one as it had originally planned would defeat the purpose and efforts of those individuals."

good for the parents.

[JuNii]

Well, perhaps not as good as it could've been, but it's great news nonetheless.

The irony here would be if she gets enough in restitution to organize an open prom.

If I recall the previous thread correctly, a local hotel offered to host (and fund?) an open prom.

and they included transportation to and from the event. (it was in New Orleans)

[Takaram]

Alright, I've got to know. Is this just an old story, or has the exact same thing happened somewhere else a couple of years back? I know I've heard this before.

[Shiistan]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

[Flameswroth]

Alright, I've got to know. Is this just an old story, or has the exact same thing happened somewhere else a couple of years back? I know I've heard this before.

From what I understand a case like this happened in Canada or something. The ruling was the same, save that the district was also forced to reinstate the prom.

[Takaram]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Yep, she made a scene. That's the whole idea. MLK and Gandhi did the same thing. Scream like hell at injustice so that the rest of the world notices. The school does have the right to cancel the prom, that's true, but they don't have the right to say who you can come with or how you can dress.

[UNIverseVERSE]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Let's see. Because she originally wanted to come with her girlfriend, and were explicitly told they couldn't? In other words, because the school admin were flat out bigots about homosexuality? Sounds like a good reason to complain to me.

[Flameswroth]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Dropping all pretenses, I think she MEANT to cause waves, just as the school canceled it with the intent to prevent her from attending. Fortunately, they were not forced to hold the prom, although they will be required to allow it at future planned proms (I assume).

[Takaram]

Alright, I've got to know. Is this just an old story, or has the exact same thing happened somewhere else a couple of years back? I know I've heard this before.

From what I understand a case like this happened in Canada or something. The ruling was the same, save that the district was also forced to reinstate the prom.

No, the case I heard about was in the southern US. Georgia or something. I remember that much.

[The Grand World Order]

Happened here in Greeley once, too, but a quick "OMG" by the gay and liberal communities changed the school's mind rather quickly.

[The Christian Reich]

Yay are Progressive whiny PC school/government strikes back for social justice!

[Non Aligned States]

She's still a whiner to me, but she wanted to be. That's what it's all about when you're making a statement. Now whether being a 'whiner' has a negative connotation in this context is up to interpretation.

Were the blacks whining when they said they wanted to vote, not be put at the back of the bus and not be held in chains?

[The Grand World Order]

She's still a whiner to me, but she wanted to be. That's what it's all about when you're making a statement. Now whether being a 'whiner' has a negative connotation in this context is up to interpretation.

Were the blacks whining when they said they wanted to vote, not be put at the back of the bus and not be held in chains?

Yes. The fact that they got what they wanted doesn't change anything.

[Southeastern Greenland]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Yep, she made a scene. That's the whole idea. MLK and Gandhi did the same thing. Scream like hell at injustice so that the rest of the world notices. The school does have the right to cancel the prom, that's true, but they don't have the right to say who you can come with or how you can dress.

Oh please. This is a completely different thing. The girl was being an attention whore and she was trying to make an unnecessary statement that ended up ruining the prom for everyone else.

[DaWoad]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

why would her girlfriend not wear a tux? Why should anyone but those two have any say in what they wear or where they are "allowed" to go? I mean they aren't criminals, they've done nothing to endanger those around them . . . .so why should the school get away with discriminating against them?

[DaWoad]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Yep, she made a scene. That's the whole idea. MLK and Gandhi did the same thing. Scream like hell at injustice so that the rest of the world notices. The school does have the right to cancel the prom, that's true, but they don't have the right to say who you can come with or how you can dress.

Oh please. This is a completely different thing. The girl was being an attention whore and she was trying to make an unnecessary statement that ended up ruining the prom for everyone else.

How? How is this different?
She was being discriminated against and she stood up to the organization doing it to her. How is that any different from MLK? or Gandhi?

[Takaram]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Yep, she made a scene. That's the whole idea. MLK and Gandhi did the same thing. Scream like hell at injustice so that the rest of the world notices. The school does have the right to cancel the prom, that's true, but they don't have the right to say who you can come with or how you can dress.

Oh please. This is a completely different thing. The girl was being an attention whore and she was trying to make an unnecessary statement that ended up ruining the prom for everyone else.

How is this different? Does the girl not have as much right as anybody else to go with the person she is dating? Does the school have the right to say that the girl can't go to prom, but a straight couple can? If anything, the school admins are the ones who are being dicks, not her.

[Chumblywumbly]

I may be completely fine with gay rights, but frankly the girl was just trying to be an attention whore. Why else would she want to come with her girlfriend wearing a tux? It's an attention thing, and when the school told her she couldn't do that (while I disagree with it) she made a scene like a petulant child. The school is within it's right to cancel the prom. I fail to see how the court can legally tell the school "NO! You HAVE to do this!"

Yep, she made a scene. That's the whole idea. MLK and Gandhi did the same thing. Scream like hell at injustice so that the rest of the world notices. The school does have the right to cancel the prom, that's true, but they don't have the right to say who you can come with or how you can dress.

Oh please. This is a completely different thing. The girl was being an attention whore and she was trying to make an unnecessary statement that ended up ruining the prom for everyone else.

Damn those uppity faggots.

[Neesika]

Alright, I've got to know. Is this just an old story, or has the exact same thing happened somewhere else a couple of years back? I know I've heard this before.

From what I understand a case like this happened in Canada or something. The ruling was the same, save that the district was also forced to reinstate the prom.

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My opinion on the whole matter...

Very few people set out to fight these kinds of battles. Any brush with the legal system is stressful, and when you feel as though greater powers are being brought against you whether via the state, your landlord, your boss, or your school, it's even more stressful. Most people give up and let injustice stand. So call these people attention whores, whiners, whatever...but these are the people that make sure other people's rights aren't infringed upon.