9/11 seems so long ago...

[Kramania]

"B-b-but it's out of context!"

This is literally the argument that people from any religion use.

Because it constantly is.

And this one?

(5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

[Bearstin]

Third or fourth post i read criticizes trump, like you people can't give it a break. How about instead of bitching about your president, you maybe react to someones story and remember those lost on 9/11? That is what this thread is for is it not? You're being childish and insensitive.

I've grown up hearing the stories of "this is where I was on 9/11" and "I knew a first responder" or "I was working in the city at the time". Why not we focus on remembrance and not criticism. The only criticism that should be thrown around is to those responsible

[Varkina]

Third or fourth post i read criticizes trump, like you people can't give it a break. How about instead of bitching about your president, you maybe react to someones story and remember those lost on 9/11? That is what this thread is for is it not? You're being childish and insensitive.

I've grown up hearing the stories of "this is where I was on 9/11" and "I knew a first responder" or "I was working in the city at the time". Why not we focus on remembrance and not criticism. The only criticism that should be thrown around is to those responsible

Amen

The Police/Doctors/Fire Fighter did all they could to save lives they will always be remembered in the American heart.

[Albrenia]

All those who lost loved ones in 9/11 have my deepest sympathies. I'm also sorry that certain people will use this tragedy to make cheap points for their ideology, or make up excuses to justify it for their ideology.

[Kramania]

Third or fourth post i read criticizes trump, like you people can't give it a break. How about instead of bitching about your president, you maybe react to someones story and remember those lost on 9/11? That is what this thread is for is it not? You're being childish and insensitive.

I've grown up hearing the stories of "this is where I was on 9/11" and "I knew a first responder" or "I was working in the city at the time". Why not we focus on remembrance and not criticism. The only criticism that should be thrown around is to those responsible

Because this is NSG where you'd be hard-pressed to find threads that don't devolve into an anti-Trump circle-jerk.

Before Trump you would have been hard-pressed to find threads that weren't pro-Obama circle-jerks.

[Genivaria]

Third or fourth post i read criticizes trump, like you people can't give it a break. How about instead of bitching about your president, you maybe react to someones story and remember those lost on 9/11? That is what this thread is for is it not? You're being childish and insensitive.

I've grown up hearing the stories of "this is where I was on 9/11" and "I knew a first responder" or "I was working in the city at the time". Why not we focus on remembrance and not criticism. The only criticism that should be thrown around is to those responsible

Because this is NSG where you'd be hard-pressed to find threads that don't devolve into an anti-Trump circle-jerk.

Before Trump you would have been hard-pressed to find threads that weren't pro-Obama circle-jerks.

We obviously remember things differently.

[Farnhamia]

That's not what I was saying. From what I could disseminate from Netherland's posts, he was blaming the entire Islamic religion for the actions of radicals that make up a minority of Islam. I merely wanted to see what his response would be if I asked him about radical Christians like Westboro, or the KKK, and see if he was going to say that the entire Christian faith was evil because of the radicals' actions, or if he'd perform a 180 and say that these radicals are not "true Christians" and that they don't represent all of Christianity.

There is certainly a difference still in what the precepts of the faith are, and from where the radicals draw their inspiration. The Westboro Baptist Church uses Scripture to justify it's actions-an interpretation widely disagreed with, but held. Islamic radicals similarly draw inspiration from their Scripture-but, unlike the Westboro Baptist Church, there is a strong base of adherents of that faith that agree with the theological principles behind that action.

See: Muslim views on suicide bombing.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/07/01/con ... remism-10/

Pew Research poll-wholly independent, nonpartisan.

Palestine and Bangladesh both have nearly half their Muslim populations agreeing that suicide bombings against Christian targets are "Sometimes" or "Often" justified.

In Lebanon, Egypt, and Tanzania, it's around a quarter or more.

In Malasia, Nigeria, and Turkey, it's nearly twenty percent. Fifteen percent in Jordan and Senegal.


We're not talking about the seventy members of the Westboro Baptist Church-we're talking about nearly seventy million Muslims in Bangladesh alone who think that suicide bombings against civilian targets are sometimes or often justified.

For Christianity, it's a radical fringe that will go as far as to yell at military funerals. In Islam, it's tens of millions of Muslims willing to justify suicide bombings against innocents.

EDIT:

I can't find the original poll I was looking for, but, from Gallup, on 9/11 specifically, you have 7% of Muslims believing 9/11 to be fully justified, and 38.6% believing them to be at least partially justified.

http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/poli ... -us-really

EDIT II:
(The 7% being included in the total of 38.6%)

Hi. This is off-topic in a 9/11 remembrance thread. Seriously, it is. There's an Islam discussion thread out there somewhere, you could try this line of argument there. It's not appropriate here.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Because it constantly is.

And this one?

(5) “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

Refer to last post on pg 20.

[Farnhamia]

They claim to be Muslim, but their very actions contradict this.

Your earlier warning seems not to have made an impression on you. *** 1 day ban for trolling. ***

[The United Holy German Reich]

Third or fourth post i read criticizes trump, like you people can't give it a break. How about instead of bitching about your president, you maybe react to someones story and remember those lost on 9/11? That is what this thread is for is it not? You're being childish and insensitive.

I've grown up hearing the stories of "this is where I was on 9/11" and "I knew a first responder" or "I was working in the city at the time". Why not we focus on remembrance and not criticism. The only criticism that should be thrown around is to those responsible

Because this is NSG where you'd be hard-pressed to find threads that don't devolve into an anti-Trump circle-jerk.

Before Trump you would have been hard-pressed to find threads that weren't pro-Obama circle-jerks.

True, although it's much more prevalent with Trump then it was with Obama.

[Thermodolia]

1. Not relevant.

2. No it wasn't.

3. They weren't there.

4. Even if there were hypothetically there the neo nazis were plotting attacking protesters anyway.

They were clearly there as they were the ones who instigated the fighting, also, the protesters were White Supremacists.

They are the same damn thing. And can you stop attacking Americans!! We have freedom of religion in this nation, you are free to practice you religion freely without any government interference. I'm not going to take any of you calling for the death of Muslim Americans. That's not something I fought for, so stay on topic and drop the bullshit

[Martian Commonwealths]

I was in first grade I believe, and I still remember that day. It was foggy that's morning nothing unusual happened on the way to school... but when we got there I remember my first class the teachers were talking about something boring "world trade center". I remember hearing an announcement "...we are going to try something new today called the moment of silence..." I swear it lasted 10 minutes I remember thinking "what happened?" But as a kid I pushed it to the back of my mind. It didn't matter. When I got home that day my dad was yelling on the phone at someoneone..... he had us sit down on my parent's bed and wait until he was off the phone. The tv we had in the former was on and paused with a picture of a plane against a blue sky. My sister and I didn't know why he had us there, but when he got off the phone and calmed down all he said was "I want to show you something" and he played the tv and it was the second plane I believe diving into the second tower. We didn't know what to make of it. But he was saying "something terrible happened today..." "is this real???" We asked him and he said yes, that people died. My sister and I start bawling, we couldn't believe that someone would just hijack a plane and kill people... that memory has stuck with me ever since and I hope as long as the United States stands we will always remember 9/11 and all the lives stolen because of radical Islamic terrorism... and I hope we can set aside our differences on a day like this and unite once more and remind ourselves why we are Americans.

[Nova Siracusa]

I was in first grade I believe, and I still remember that day. It was foggy that's morning nothing unusual happened on the way to school... but when we got there I remember my first class the teachers were talking about something boring "world trade center". I remember hearing an announcement "...we are going to try something new today called the moment of silence..." I swear it lasted 10 minutes I remember thinking "what happened?" But as a kid I pushed it to the back of my mind. It didn't matter. When I got home that day my dad was yelling on the phone at someoneone..... he had us sit down on my parent's bed and wait until he was off the phone. The tv we had in the former was on and paused with a picture of a plane against a blue sky. My sister and I didn't know why he had us there, but when he got off the phone and calmed down all he said was "I want to show you something" and he played the tv and it was the second plane I believe diving into the second tower. We didn't know what to make of it. But he was saying "something terrible happened today..." "is this real???" We asked him and he said yes, that people died. My sister and I start bawling, we couldn't believe that someone would just hijack a plane and kill people... that memory has stuck with me ever since and I hope as long as the United States stands we will always remember 9/11 and all the lives stolen because of radical Islamic terrorism... and I hope we can set aside our differences on a day like this and unite once more and remind ourselves why we are Americans.

Like Martian Commonwealths, I too was in first grade when the towers were hit. I vividly remember I had just gotten off the school bus and into my house and saw my mom watching the TV with tears running down her face. It really threw me off. That was the moment I too looked at the TV screen and saw the first tower burning and moments later the second was hit. That will forever be ingrained in my mind.

My professor, Mark Camillo (look him up, he was the Secret Service Agent in charge of the Salt Lake City Olympics in '02 as well as being a key player in the formation of the DHS) was hit hard from the loss of a handful of his close friends in that attack; all of whom were Secret Service, FBI, and NYPD. No one was safe. The reality is that now, worldwide, we are the generation to ensure this never happens again. We have been given a foundation but we have much building to do. That heinous attack was the game changer in the security, threat and, risk analysis world. Being a college senior finishing my degree in Security Management at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice and as a native New Yorker, I reflect on this many times throughout the year. So many lives, innocent lives, were lost for what? It brings tears to my eyes thinking about it. This is the driving force behind our entire academic department''s student body and their collegiate/career paths.

Civilization rises from any and all ashes. We will never forget those who perished in the attacks and those who continue to give their lives in the never ending global war on terrorism.

[The of Japan]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, lol XD

EXACTLY.

So how come when the same thing is said about Islam, you don't bat an eye?

Timothy McVeigh was not motivated by Christianity, the hijackers, along with al queda were.

[Bombadil]

For me, 9/11 was the first global event of the internet and mobile era..

..consider I was on a boat in a lake in Beijing at the time - my friend in HK messaged me that a light aircraft had accidentally hit WTC.. followed shortly by 'holy shit..' and then a flood of messages. Within about 10 minutes, including pedalling a duck shaped boat at Olympic speeds.. we were in a friends house close by watching it all unfold on CNN.

I have an email, which became quite famous, from a friend describing how he'd got out of the buildings and general thoughts on the whole day and those subsequent.

To think within minutes of it occurring, and nowhere near a TV, I was aware almost the instant it happened - and that I was in a country on the other side of the world.

That's different to, say, the death of Diana, where if I hadn't been at a TV at the time I might not have heard about it for hours.

Not just that but I also remember reading everything online in the days after, the rise at the time of Snopes.. where I joined the forum, which led me to NSG.. but enough of the world was online for 9/11 to make it perhaps the first major event of the internet age.

..and the rest, as they say, is history.

[Vassenor]

EXACTLY.

So how come when the same thing is said about Islam, you don't bat an eye?

Timothy McVeigh was not motivated by Christianity, the hijackers, along with al queda were.

So clearly we need to hate and fear a billion people for something they had no part in. Something that shocked them just as much as it shocked us. Something they denounce just as hard as we do.

[Kennlind]

The muj were Islamists. I'm not Pro-China vro. And I'm talking about the 9/11 in Chile, when fascist dictator Pinochet took power.

Chile and Pinochet aren't relevant to this thread.

The thread topic is 9/11. Why do we need to fixate on America's 9/11 when there have been far worse? Darmstadt 1944?

[Vassenor]

Chile and Pinochet aren't relevant to this thread.

The thread topic is 9/11. Why do we need to fixate on America's 9/11 when there have been far worse? Darmstadt 1944?

Because they're not the topic of the thread.

[Cylonarus]

Living here through it certainly has made a lasting impact on me.

I shudder to think what ultra-nationalistic drum-beating and self-aggrandizement will be made out of this tragedy two days from now.

And you just fucking had to bring politics into it.

[Cylonarus]

It's not bait you know. It's the truth.

Oh really? How about this picture?



This is the Government Building in Oklahoma City before it was hit by a bombing that killed 168 people, including 19 children. The perpetrator was a white supremacist and a Christian. Therefore...

Imagine a world without Christianity

Of course, that's bullshit. So how come Islam is a scapegoat for our problems? It was Black People, then Mexicans, then Communists, and now Muslims.

Bible describes violence. Quran prescribes violence.

[Vassenor]

Oh really? How about this picture?



This is the Government Building in Oklahoma City before it was hit by a bombing that killed 168 people, including 19 children. The perpetrator was a white supremacist and a Christian. Therefore...

Imagine a world without Christianity

Of course, that's bullshit. So how come Islam is a scapegoat for our problems? It was Black People, then Mexicans, then Communists, and now Muslims.

Bible describes violence. Quran prescribes violence.

So all that stuff in Leviticus about putting people to death doesn't count. Also I guess that makes most of the Islamic world not true Muslims.

[Alvecia]

Bible describes violence. Quran prescribes violence.

So all that stuff in Leviticus about putting people to death doesn't count. Also I guess that makes most of the Islamic world not true Muslims.

The Old Testament doesn't count but we put it in the bible anyway

[Mushet]

Third or fourth post i read criticizes trump, like you people can't give it a break. How about instead of bitching about your president, you maybe react to someones story and remember those lost on 9/11? That is what this thread is for is it not? You're being childish and insensitive.

I've grown up hearing the stories of "this is where I was on 9/11" and "I knew a first responder" or "I was working in the city at the time". Why not we focus on remembrance and not criticism. The only criticism that should be thrown around is to those responsible

Because this is NSG where you'd be hard-pressed to find threads that don't devolve into an anti-Trump circle-jerk.

Before Trump you would have been hard-pressed to find threads that weren't pro-Obama circle-jerks.

What NSG are you talking about?

[Luminesa]

Bible describes violence. Quran prescribes violence.

So all that stuff in Leviticus about putting people to death doesn't count. Also I guess that makes most of the Islamic world not true Muslims.

The putting people to death was only in very specific circumstances, out of a want to preserve the ritual purity of the people, and it is not done now.

[Alvecia]

So all that stuff in Leviticus about putting people to death doesn't count. Also I guess that makes most of the Islamic world not true Muslims.

The putting people to death was only in very specific circumstances, out of a want to preserve the ritual purity of the people, and it is not done now.

They weren't overly specific.

Blasphemy, swearing at your mum and dad, adultery (both of them), having sex with your step-mum or daughter in law, homosexuality, bestiality, bigamy, being magic (i.e. mediums or witches).

And that's just Leviticus 20