The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Genivaria]

Basically this.

I wouldn't support that. Anarchism in any form is completely incompatible with Christianity.

Interesting.

[Menassa]

The thread is dead.

Its last post was while many were in bed.

The dead thread fills me with dread.

This thread isn't dead.

The JDT is a dead thread (except when Jewish holidays pop up xP ).

Oh yeah, compare yourselves to the Jews why don't ya.

[Corpus Magnus]

Basically this.

I wouldn't support that. Anarchism in any form is completely incompatible with Christianity.

Why do you say that?

[Corpus Magnus]

That was two days ago!

Happy Saint Mary Di Rosa Day?

How often do these saint holidays happen?

[Northern Davincia]

Happy Saint Mary Di Rosa Day?

How often do these saint holidays happen?

It's basically every day. There's a lot of saints.

[La Sagrada Familia]

How often do these saint holidays happen?

It's basically every day. There's a lot of saints.

I do enjoy a good St. Damien of Molokai day

[Corpus Magnus]

How often do these saint holidays happen?

It's basically every day. There's a lot of saints.

How do you keep track of all these holidays?

[La Sagrada Familia]

It's basically every day. There's a lot of saints.

How do you keep track of all these holidays?

Easy, the Catholic Church has a calendar. Or you could get a Gregorian calendar with feast days. Or get laudate. Those have most or all of the feast days.

[Salus Maior]

I wouldn't support that. Anarchism in any form is completely incompatible with Christianity.

Why do you say that?

Because the state is instituted by God.

[Menassa]

How do you keep track of all these holidays?

Easy, the Catholic Church has a calendar. Or you could get a Gregorian calendar with feast days. Or get laudate. Those have most or all of the feast days.

What is currently the largest Church in Christianity?

[Salus Maior]

Easy, the Catholic Church has a calendar. Or you could get a Gregorian calendar with feast days. Or get laudate. Those have most or all of the feast days.

What is currently the largest Church in Christianity?

The Roman Catholic Church.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

(Image)

^^

I also have a counselor appointment Feb 6th.

[Pasong Tirad]

What is currently the largest Church in Christianity?

The Roman Catholic Church.

St. Peter's Basilica.

[Constantinopolis]

Basically this.

I wouldn't support that. Anarchism in any form is completely incompatible with Christianity.

I wouldn't say that. Anarchism can be made compatible with Christianity. What isn't compatible with Christianity is the belief that the state is inherently evil. But you can be an anarchist without holding that belief.

You could, for example, believe that the state can be good in principle, but that all currently-existing states happen to be evil, and be an anarchist on that basis. This would be compatible with Christianity.

Basically, as long as you hold anarchism to be a relative good in the current political context - as opposed to holding it as an absolute good - you can make that compatible with Christianity.

Of course, in practice, most forms of anarchism do hold the belief that the state is inherently evil. So Christianity is indeed incompatible with mainstream anarchism.

Because the state is instituted by God.

Political power is instituted by God. It obviously doesn't have to take the form of a modern state. We know this because ancient and medieval forms of political power were very different from modern states, and when St. Paul was writing that Christians should be subject to governing authorities, he was referencing the Roman Empire.

A Christian anarchist could make the argument that the syndicalist form of social organization that he advocates is simply the next stage of political power instituted by God. He could argue that just as we went from the Roman Empire to medieval kings and then to modern governments, we are now going to move from modern governments to... well, I guess communes. And that these communes represent the new form of authority instituted by God.

It's a difficult argument to make, but it's not completely impossible to pull it off.

Basically, to be a Christian anarchist, you have to hold a "stage-ist" view of history, in which states were good at one stage of history, but stopped being good at some point for various reasons.

[Constantinopolis]

This thread isn't dead.

The JDT is a dead thread (except when Jewish holidays pop up xP ).

Oh yeah, compare yourselves to the Jews why don't ya.

Well, if the JDT rose from the dead, it would become the CDT...

Happy Saint Mary Di Rosa Day?

How often do these saint holidays happen?

They're not really "holidays" as such (if by "holiday" we mean a special day set apart from the other days of the year). In the Ancient Churches (Orthodox, Catholic, Oriental, and Nestorian), when a saint is canonized, that saint is associated with a particular day of the year. Usually this is the day of the saint's death (because that is the day he/she went to Heaven). But sometimes - when the date of death is not known, or when it would overlap with a major fixed-date holiday like Christmas or the Dormition - a different day is chosen for the saint, based on some important event in the saint's life.

Given that we've been doing this for 2000 years, there are lots of saints for every single day of the year. Usually at least 20-30 saints per day.

And people simply choose which saints to celebrate by doing something special on their day, and which saints to not celebrate (by treating their day like an ordinary day). Sometimes, a particular saint gets really popular in a particular country or culture, and then that saint's day becomes a cultural/national holiday for those people. Individuals can also have saints that they personally celebrate, at home or with their families.

In Orthodoxy, when a person is baptized, that person is also given the name of a saint, and it is customary for people to celebrate their "name day" - i.e. the day of the saint you were named after - as they would celebrate their birthday.

Individual people can also begin to celebrate other saints' days for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes it's as simple as having read about that saint and feeling that their life story resonates with you.

It's basically every day. There's a lot of saints.

How do you keep track of all these holidays?

We have calendars that list the saints of the day for each day of the year (or, well, some of the saints of the day, anyway - few calendars list them all).

The Orthodox Wiki actually has the most complete listing of saints that I've seen online. Here is their listing of all the days of the year. For example, today (December 16) the Orthodox saints of the day are as follows:

Prophet Haggai (Aggaeus) (500 BC); Martyr Marinus of Rome (283); Martyrs Promus (Probus) and Hilarion, by the sword; Saint Memnon, Archbishop of Ephesus (ca.440); Saint Modestus II, Patriarch of Jerusalem (634) (see also December 18); Saint Simeon, Archbishop of Antioch (834-840); Blessed Empress Theophania of Byzantium (893), wife of Byzantine Emperor Leo VI the Wise; Saint Nicholas Chrysoberges, Patriarch of Constantinople (995); Martyrs Valentine, Concordius, Navalis and Agricola, martyrs venerated in Ravenna in Italy. (ca.305); Women Martyrs of North-West Africa, a great number of women martyred under Hunneric, Arian King of the Vandals (482); Saint Dabheog (Beoc, Beanus, Mobeoc), founder of a monastery on an island in Lough Derg in Donegal in Ireland (5th c.); Saint Ado of Vienne (875); Saint Adelaide of Italy, daughter of the King of Burgundy, she was married to Lothair II of Italy, became a nun (999); Saint Sophia of Suzdal, nun (in the world Solomonia Saburova), wife of Grand Duke Basil III of Moscow (1542); New Hieromartyr Vladimir Alexeyev, Priest, of Okhansk (1918); New Hieromartyr Arcadius (Ostalsky), Bishop of Bezhetsk (1937); New Hieromartyr Alexander Kolokolov, Protopresbyter of Tver (1937); New Hieromartyr Paul Favoritov, Priest of Tver (1937); New Hieromartyr Macarius, Priest-monk of Tver (1937); New Hieromartyr Peter Zinoviev, Priest of Tver (1937); New Hieromartyr Theodosius Boldiriev, Priest of Tver (1937); New Hieromartyrs Priests Elias, and Vladimir (1937). Other events: Dedication of the Church of St. Christopher near St. Polyeuctos.

[Vulkata II]

Happy Saint Mary Di Rosa Day?

How often do these saint holidays happen?

I don't understand Saint's holidays.

Do we celebrate th saints or do we pray to them for them to pray for us? I don't want to die only to know I was supposed to do something and I wasn't aware.

[Constantinopolis]

How often do these saint holidays happen?

I don't understand Saint's holidays.

Do we celebrate th saints or do we pray to them for them to pray for us? I don't want to die only to know I was supposed to do something and I wasn't aware.

Both. We celebrate them, and also we ask them to pray for us.

Sometimes, as individuals, we may do only one or the other, but the Church does both.

[Salus Maior]

How often do these saint holidays happen?

I don't understand Saint's holidays.

Do we celebrate th saints or do we pray to them for them to pray for us? I don't want to die only to know I was supposed to do something and I wasn't aware.

You don't have to do either. It's just something that many find helpful to their Christian walk, and can help better one's understanding of God and Christian life.

But Salvation isn't really tied to it.

[Constantinopolis]

I don't understand Saint's holidays.

Do we celebrate th saints or do we pray to them for them to pray for us? I don't want to die only to know I was supposed to do something and I wasn't aware.

You don't have to do either. It's just something that many find helpful to their Christian walk, and can help better one's understanding of God and Christian life.

But Salvation isn't really tied to it.

That's true, but it is a mistake to think in terms of what you "have to" or don't "have to" do as a Christian. There is no "salvation checklist". There is no one-size-fits-all formula that applies to everyone. There is no "save your soul with this one weird trick".

Each person is different. The things that you have to do depend on your personal circumstances, and on your personal sins. So there may well be certain people who have to ask the saints to intercede for them in order to be saved.

If in doubt about whether you have to do some act of piety or not, do it. It is better to err on the side of doing too much rather than doing too little.

[Corpus Magnus]

How does one become a saint?

(Wow, this thread really is dying.)

[United Muscovite Nations]

How does one become a saint?

(Wow, this thread really is dying.)

Well, the most surefire way, but probably the one that is most difficult, is to be martyred.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

How does one become a saint?

(Wow, this thread really is dying.)

Well, the most surefire way, but probably the one that is most difficult, is to be martyred.

Aren't miracles also required?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How does one become a saint?

(Wow, this thread really is dying.)

You gotta have a friend named Jesus, so you know that when you don't, he's gonna recommend you to the spirit in the sky.

On the subject, are stillborn, aborted fetuses, and infants who die considered saints?

[Salus Maior]

Well, the most surefire way, but probably the one that is most difficult, is to be martyred.

Aren't miracles also required?

Not in the case of Martyrs. Anyone who is killed for their faith in Christianity is automatically a Saint.

Otherwise, miracles tend to be seen as an indicator. But I don't think that's always the case.

[Salus Maior]

How does one become a saint?

(Wow, this thread really is dying.)

You gotta have a friend named Jesus, so you know that when you don't, he's gonna recommend you to the spirit in the sky.

On the subject, are stillborn, aborted fetuses, and infants who die considered saints?

Christians don't believe in Tengri.

And I don't know.