The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Tarsonis]

Just re-sack Constantinople and be done with it

The Muslims might take issue...

[Farnhamia]

Not a role playing thread .

I am still new on this planet, but it wasN't my intention for a "role playing" here. I have told you a truth. You cannot see, but so many humans are darker in their souls. Even if the pure love, I am referring to a spiritual nature of love, not on flesh, is an important essence of the life, but the most of humans in these days put money and pleasures on a higher planning than that what is the essence of life.
God gave you a real chance of redemption through Chritianity and Saints who followed the Truth of Real Wisdom.
You may not understand how special you humans were in this galaxy... But the choice is only yours.
Eastern Christianity kept itself and its teachings unchangeable so much time with hard efforts and the Orthodoxy is much appropiate to the truth of the first Saints and Apostles.
The times of the recolt are so near. I am Not joking. I am only sorry-ing for your souls.

Everyone appreciates your thoughts, I'm sure. Now knock it off with the role-playing. Another instance of this will be treated as spam.

[Stonok]

Why would someone make an account and use their first two posts to roleplay as an Orthodox space cat in a debate they previously had no part in without asking any questions? I smell a puppet.

[Farnhamia]

Why would someone make an account and use their first two posts to roleplay as an Orthodox space cat in a debate they previously had no part in without asking any questions? I smell a puppet.

Next time I see God, I'll ask Him. Move along now.

[Stonok]

I purchased the first English Standard Version of the Bible I've ever owned. I'm pleasantly surprised. The ESV's language is so much more eloquent and concise than the NASB (Which was the modern English Bible I previously used for casual reading)

[Tarsonis]

I purchased the first English Standard Version of the Bible I've ever owned. I'm pleasantly surprised. The ESV's language is so much more eloquent and concise than the NASB (Which was the modern English Bible I previously used for casual reading)

I prefer the NRSV for my English reading. If I really need to make a theological deduction I use the NA28 Greek New Testament

[Narland]

I purchased the first English Standard Version of the Bible I've ever owned. I'm pleasantly surprised. The ESV's language is so much more eloquent and concise than the NASB (Which was the modern English Bible I previously used for casual reading)

I was pleasantly surprised by the ESV as well. I had a great suspicion of the textual choices used, but the translators seemed to do justice in consulting all the manuscript evidence. Hopefully it ages better than the NIV.

I generally consult ESV, NET Bible, and Holman for general reading, and NASB for deeper study. When sharing I may use NIV, NLT, NKJ or even the Message depending on the people. It is an embarrassment of riches to be blessed with so many versions.

[Stonok]

I purchased the first English Standard Version of the Bible I've ever owned. I'm pleasantly surprised. The ESV's language is so much more eloquent and concise than the NASB (Which was the modern English Bible I previously used for casual reading)

I was pleasantly surprised by the ESV as well. I had a great suspicion of the textual choices used, but the translators seemed to do justice in consulting all the manuscript evidence. Hopefully it ages better than the NIV.

I generally consult ESV, NET Bible, and Holman for general reading, and NASB for deeper study. When sharing I may use NIV, NLT, NKJ or even the Message depending on the people. It is an embarrassment of riches to be blessed with so many versions.

I currently own a YLT (My go-to for deep study), a few KJVs, an NASB, and now an ESV. I used to have an NIV but discarded it. There's just something so satisfying about holding a stack of God's Word in multiple translations in my arms... I hope to get a few more to my collection sooner or later.

[Narland]

I was pleasantly surprised by the ESV as well. I had a great suspicion of the textual choices used, but the translators seemed to do justice in consulting all the manuscript evidence. Hopefully it ages better than the NIV.

I generally consult ESV, NET Bible, and Holman for general reading, and NASB for deeper study. When sharing I may use NIV, NLT, NKJ or even the Message depending on the people. It is an embarrassment of riches to be blessed with so many versions.

I currently own a YLT (My go-to for deep study), a few KJVs, an NASB, and now an ESV. I used to have an NIV but discarded it. There's just something so satisfying about holding a stack of God's Word in multiple translations in my arms... I hope to get a few more to my collection sooner or later.

My High School English Teacher had a YLT on his desk and a corresponding Analytical Concordance. I made note of it and mentioned I had a Cruden's at home. He joking said that "Young's was for the young; Strong's was for the Strong; and Cruden's was for the crude."

My current Greek Interlinear is with the ESV.

[Stonok]

My High School English Teacher had a YLT on his desk and a corresponding Analytical Concordance. I made note of it and mentioned I had a Cruden's at home. He joking said that "Young's was for the young; Strong's was for the Strong; and Cruden's was for the crude."

I was given a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance by a relative. It really is a massive book. Get two of them and attach them by a pole, and you could probably gain at least intermediate bodybuilding muscles after a while, lol.

[Narland]

My High School English Teacher had a YLT on his desk and a corresponding Analytical Concordance. I made note of it and mentioned I had a Cruden's at home. He joking said that "Young's was for the young; Strong's was for the Strong; and Cruden's was for the crude."

I was given a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance by a relative. It really is a massive book. Get two of them and attach them by a pole, and you could probably gain at least intermediate bodybuilding muscles after a while, lol.

I ended up using the Strong's quite a bit and Vine's Expository for New Testament Words. In my navy days that took up a lot locker space. Most places let me keep it in the ship's library. Today entire libraries fit in the palm of the hand.

[Stonok]

May I ask what your denominational preferences are? I tend to be a muddle-headed non-denominational evangelical who leans on the Whitfield side of the fence.

I'm a Southern Baptist, but I lean more towards the early Southern Baptists, back when we weren't anti-intellectuals and didn't believe in a future Rapture or Tribulation. I'm not one of those Premillenial Dispenationsalist Young Earthers who have seemingly taken over our church. Not to say people who adhere to those ideas are inherently anti-intellectual, what I mean by that is that many Southern Baptists will condemn people who do not adhere to them even if factual evidence is presented against them.

[The Parkus Empire]

Christ's sacrifice was not to satan anymore than martyrdom is a sacrifice to satan. But satan is absolutely prince of the world and Christ's sacrifice is to free us from bondage to him. It's prefigured in the ransom from Egypt in the Paschal lamb

He's prince of this world, but not of our souls. The kingdom of heaven is not of this world, nor was Christ's sacrifice having anything to do with this material world. Our souls were ransomed, not this world. Christ's sacrifice was to God, to make atonement for our sins. Paul literally says that word for word.

We are slaves of satan when we sin.

Christ's death fulfilled the law of blood for blood, but but it did not reconcile God to us: it reconciled us to God.

[The Parkus Empire]

Also, expiate only means reparation in a secondary sense that comes entirely from Catholic notion of expiation. It primarily means to purify or purge

Expiate from the Latin expiare: to atone for.

Sounds like it's the Orthodox inventing meanings for words.

Yes, my bad.

[Pasong Tirad]

Been reading MBB05, Magandang Balita Biblia (Good News Bible) 2005, the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines-approved Filipino translation of the Bible. The translation's not that great, tbh, but it's more recently been my go-to Bible now because I'm yet to read the whole thing in my language. Other than that, NABRE's my usual choice.

[Tarsonis]

He's prince of this world, but not of our souls. The kingdom of heaven is not of this world, nor was Christ's sacrifice having anything to do with this material world. Our souls were ransomed, not this world. Christ's sacrifice was to God, to make atonement for our sins. Paul literally says that word for word.

We are slaves of satan when we sin.

Christ's death fulfilled the law of blood for blood, but but it did not reconcile God to us: it reconciled us to God.

....um yeah. Nobody has said otherwise. Where the hell did you get the idea that anyone was saying God needed to be reconciled to us? Holy blasphemy Batman....

[The Archregimancy]

CDT IX: The one with the guy who claimed to be an Orthodox space cat

He's likely one of the elders at the Orthodox Jedi Academy.

[The Archregimancy]

CDT IX: The one with the guy who claimed to be an Orthodox space cat

And with apologies for flogging this particular dead horse from a slightly different direction...

Edit:

And this one's for Tarsonis:

[The Parkus Empire]

We are slaves of satan when we sin.

Christ's death fulfilled the law of blood for blood, but but it did not reconcile God to us: it reconciled us to God.

....um yeah. Nobody has said otherwise. Where the hell did you get the idea that anyone was saying God needed to be reconciled to us? Holy blasphemy Batman....

You did. You said Christ's sacrifice changes God's orientation toward us (it appeases him, changing his disposition toward us from wrath to forgiveness). The Orthodox perspective is that it reorients us, not God.

[Pasong Tirad]

Question: do Christians believe Isa (Jesus) was born on December 25th?

Finally found the quote I was looking for about this:

Today is Christmas Eve. Whether or not Christ was born exactly on this date is not important. But chronological accuracy has nothing to do with tonight's event. A grand genius had been born who preached truth and love; who suffered because of his mission; and on account of his sufferings the world has become better, if not saved. Only it gives me nausea to see how some people abuse his name to commit numerous crimes. If he is in heaven, he will certainly protest!
- Jose Rizal's letter to Blumentritt (24 December 1886)

[Vulkata II]

Question: do Christians believe Isa (Jesus) was born on December 25th?

Finally found the quote I was looking for about this:

Today is Christmas Eve. Whether or not Christ was born exactly on this date is not important. But chronological accuracy has nothing to do with tonight's event. A grand genius had been born who preached truth and love; who suffered because of his mission; and on account of his sufferings the world has become better, if not saved. Only it gives me nausea to see how some people abuse his name to commit numerous crimes. If he is in heaven, he will certainly protest!
- Jose Rizal's letter to Blumentritt (24 December 1886)

Gotta love Rizal man.

I'm just glad he doesn't see what's happening with this world and what things come out out of kids mouth these days lest he'd be confined for a year or two.

[Nordengrund]

May I ask what your denominational preferences are? I tend to be a muddle-headed non-denominational evangelical who leans on the Whitfield side of the fence.

I'm a Southern Baptist, but I lean more towards the early Southern Baptists, back when we weren't anti-intellectuals and didn't believe in a future Rapture or Tribulation. I'm not one of those Premillenial Dispenationsalist Young Earthers who have seemingly taken over our church. Not to say people who adhere to those ideas are inherently anti-intellectual, what I mean by that is that many Southern Baptists will condemn people who do not adhere to them even if factual evidence is presented against them.

This sounds like me, except I accept dispensaionalism and the Rapture, although it has become a lot less important to me than in the past.

[Diopolis]

I purchased the first English Standard Version of the Bible I've ever owned. I'm pleasantly surprised. The ESV's language is so much more eloquent and concise than the NASB (Which was the modern English Bible I previously used for casual reading)

NASB is a pretty poor excuse for a translation, tbh, and it really needs to come with a number you call to exchange it for the new version every time they change it. ESV is decent, NRSV is good, Douay-Rheims is great but difficult to understand.

[Luminesa]

I currently own a YLT (My go-to for deep study), a few KJVs, an NASB, and now an ESV. I used to have an NIV but discarded it. There's just something so satisfying about holding a stack of God's Word in multiple translations in my arms... I hope to get a few more to my collection sooner or later.

My High School English Teacher had a YLT on his desk and a corresponding Analytical Concordance. I made note of it and mentioned I had a Cruden's at home. He joking said that "Young's was for the young; Strong's was for the Strong; and Cruden's was for the crude."

My current Greek Interlinear is with the ESV.

You want a book you can weight-lift with, I have a Church History textbook in my room that’s about ten pounds. XD

[Tarsonis]

....um yeah. Nobody has said otherwise. Where the hell did you get the idea that anyone was saying God needed to be reconciled to us? Holy blasphemy Batman....

You did. You said Christ's sacrifice changes God's orientation toward us (it appeases him, changing his disposition toward us from wrath to forgiveness). The Orthodox perspective is that it reorients us, not God.

Do you even know what reconciliation means?

Wrath and Forgiveness are part of God's Just nature. Forgiveness is by definition a shift. God can't forgive without making a shift in Judgement, you can't be both condemned and saved.

However this is not to say that God is reconciled to us, that would mean that God was the one who had sinned and needed to make atonement to Us, which Holy blasphemy Batman .

Christ sacrifice reconciles us to God, makes atonement for our sins, and if we accept this sacrfice God forgives our sins. In no way is God reconciled to us, or even reoriented. We are made pure, and thus God's righteous judgement passes over us. You know, like the Exodus story.


You're inventing sophist nonsense to tilt at now.