The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Lower Nubia]

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

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I wonder if that also includes Russian Muslims, I don't explicitly see that the survey was done only over Russian Orthodox people.

Religious affiliation increased for all religions in the post soviet bloc with the Orthodox Church gaining the greatest rate increase of affiliations over other faiths in Russia. Yet of those who aligned with those different faiths had a similar or slightly higher weekly attendance compared to the Christian services. Though no one collection of data is in agreement on the numbers, it is clear that the weekly attendance and percentage belief is similar across all countries in the Eastern bloc, but it is highly dependent on the country. From pew research in 2017 on the Eastern Bloc:

"Pew Research Center previously polled Muslims in the former Soviet republics of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, as well as in the Balkan countries of Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo,
as part of a 2012 survey of Muslims in 40 countries around the world. Bosnia and Kazakhstan also were included
in the 2016 survey.

The 2012 survey found relatively low levels of religious belief and practice among Muslims in the former Soviet
bloc countries compared with Muslims elsewhere around the world.

No more than half of Muslims surveyed in Russia, the Balkans and in Central Asia say religion is very important in
their lives, compared with the vast majorities of Muslims living in the Middle East, South Asia, Southeast Asia and
Africa. Following the same pattern, fewer Muslims in most countries of the former Soviet bloc than elsewhere say
they practice core tenets of their faith, such as fasting during the holy month of Ramadan, or giving zakat (a
portion of their accumulated wealth to the needy). And considerably fewer in most countries favor making sharia
the official law of the land in their countries.

The current survey has large enough sample sizes of Muslims for analysis in Bosnia, Bulgaria, Georgia,
Kazakhstan and Russia. Muslims in Kazakhstan and Russia largely show levels of religious belief and observance
similar to those highlighted in the 2012 report. A lack of survey data dating back to the early 1990s on the
attitudes of Muslim publics makes it difficult to determine the extent to which these populations have
experienced religious revival since the fall of the Soviet Union.

Compared with the Christian populations in Russia, Kazakhstan and Bulgaria, Muslims are generally more
religiously observant; higher shares among Muslims than Christians in these countries say religion is “very
important” in their lives, report daily prayer and say they attend religious services at least weekly. But in Georgia,
where religious observance is higher among the general population than elsewhere in the region, Muslims are
about as likely as Christians to say they attend services weekly or consider religion “very important.” In fact,
Muslims in Georgia are less likely than Christians to say they pray daily.

In religiously mixed Bosnia, Muslims are more observant than the country’s Orthodox and Catholic populations,
and a higher share of Muslims say religion is “very important” in their lives in 2015 than in 2012."

[Lord Dominator]

Oh yeah on that note, I passed all my classes this semester, so it’s official I’m gradumacating with my Masters from Yale Divinity School.

[Luminesa]

The poll though is about specifically personal beliefs on church dogma. A lot of Catholics don’t go to church except for Christmas and Easter, but that doesn’t mean they don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God, for example.

It's important though because we say the Creed without the "and the son" every service, so if someone were to attend church regularly, they'd know more of the dogma than otherwise.

True. You can know a faith just by reading books, but you won’t know YOUR faith unless you go to church.

[Dylar]

So...I got a Brown Scapular on Sunday after the May Crowning.

[Lower Nubia]

So...I got a Brown Scapular on Sunday after the May Crowning.

What does it represent?

[Dylar]

So...I got a Brown Scapular on Sunday after the May Crowning.

What does it represent?

Our Lady of Mt. Carmel

[Lower Nubia]

What does it represent?

Our Lady of Mt. Carmel

Neat.

[Luminesa]

So...I got a Brown Scapular on Sunday after the May Crowning.

Yaaaaaay scapular-buddies! : D

[Berhakonia]

The new pope just proves that jewtholicism is a cuckold ideology. As well as almost every branch of christianity, except for christian identity of course. Jewistants, eastern jewthodox, and any judeo-christian types that follow the lies in the old testament (the founding basis of jewish ideology) are'nt worth my time.

St. Paul made clear what his opinion on Judaizers was

[Dylar]

So...I got a Brown Scapular on Sunday after the May Crowning.

Yaaaaaay scapular-buddies! : D

Hoorah!

[Auze]

What does it represent?

Our Lady of Mt. Carmel

Must... resist... making a carmel/caramel joke.

[Dylar]

Our Lady of Mt. Carmel

Must... resist... making a carmel/caramel joke.

Oh no, go on. Heck I live next to the Indiana city called Carmel. And I usually make fun of everyone at school who insists that caramel is pronounced Carmel.

[Auze]

Must... resist... making a carmel/caramel joke.

Oh no, go on. Heck I live next to the Indiana city called Carmel. And I usually make fun of everyone at school who insists that caramel is pronounced Carmel.

I go either way in pronouncing it.

[Huntpublic]

Caramel(Kar-uh-mehl)

I made it myself

[Auze]

take your pick:
ˈkerəməl
ˈkerəˌmel
ˈkärməl

[Salus Maior]

So...I got a Brown Scapular on Sunday after the May Crowning.

Yaaaaaay scapular-buddies! : D

What's a scapular?

[The Liberated Territories]

take your pick:
ˈkerəməl
ˈkerəˌmel
ˈkärməl

['keIrəmEl] (in xsampa)

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I was just thinking back on this passage from the Bible:

The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again". And his disciples heard him say it.

...

In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!" "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

Is there some metaphor here that I'm missing with the fig tree and praying? And if he wanted a fig, why didn't he just make a fig appear? Isn't he God? For that matter, why was he even hungry? Why didn't he know that the tree would have no fruits?

[Negarakita]

I was just thinking back on this passage from the Bible:

[quote=Mark 11:12–14 and 11:20–25]The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again". And his disciples heard him say it.

...

In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!" "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

Is there some metaphor here that I'm missing with the fig tree and praying? And if he wanted a fig, why didn't he just make a fig appear? Isn't he God? For that matter, why was he even hungry? Why didn't he know that the tree would have no fruits?[/quote]
Tree should have just given him a fig smh rude ass trees

[Tarsonis]

I was just thinking back on this passage from the Bible:

The next day as they were leaving Bethany, Jesus was hungry. Seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to find out if it had any fruit. When he reached it, he found nothing but leaves, because it was not the season for figs. Then he said to the tree, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again". And his disciples heard him say it.

...

In the morning, as they went along, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots. Peter remembered and said to Jesus, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree you cursed has withered!" "Have faith in God," Jesus answered. "Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins."

Is there some metaphor here that I'm missing with the fig tree and praying? And if he wanted a fig, why didn't he just make a fig appear? Isn't he God? For that matter, why was he even hungry? Why didn't he know that the tree would have no fruits?

1. Christ was a man of human nature, as well as God. God took on human nature, became man. In order for the Incarnation to be true, Christ had to experience all aspects of human existence, including hunger. otherwise he’d only be part human.

2. As for why he didn’t just make a fig appear, I suppose you’ll have to ask him that, but I don’t really mess with hypotheticals.

3. As for the metaphors it’s more about faith than praying. Christ possessed not just belief beyond faith, but knowledge only possible that one of divine nature could have. Thus, he knew his curse, even one made out of frustration would be fulfilled. Hence the anything you ask for without doubt will be given to you. It’s about having faith in God’s blessing, not about fig trees.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I was just thinking back on this passage from the Bible:



Is there some metaphor here that I'm missing with the fig tree and praying? And if he wanted a fig, why didn't he just make a fig appear? Isn't he God? For that matter, why was he even hungry? Why didn't he know that the tree would have no fruits?

1. Christ was a man of human nature, as well as God. God took on human nature, became man. In order for the Incarnation to be true, Christ had to experience all aspects of human existence, including hunger. otherwise he’d only be part human.

2. As for why he didn't just make a fig appear, I suppose you’ll have to ask him that, but I don’t really mess with hypotheticals.

3. As for the metaphors it’s more about faith than praying. Christ possessed not just belief beyond faith, but knowledge only possible that one of divine nature could have. Thus, he knew his curse, even one made out of frustration would be fulfilled. Hence the anything you ask for without doubt will be given to you. It’s about having faith in God’s blessing, not about fig trees.

1. Okay. I can accept that answer.

2. Is it a hypothetical if it supposedly already occurred, though? He made a coin appear in a fish's mouth and turned water into wine but chose to kill a tree rather than make a fig appear? Is Jesus not about compassion? Seems quite wrathful to kill a tree because its fruits were not in season.

3. Okay but I still don't see how killing a fig tree connects to people having more faith. Did the fig tree not have enough faith?

[Tarsonis]

1. Christ was a man of human nature, as well as God. God took on human nature, became man. In order for the Incarnation to be true, Christ had to experience all aspects of human existence, including hunger. otherwise he’d only be part human.

2. As for why he didn't just make a fig appear, I suppose you’ll have to ask him that, but I don’t really mess with hypotheticals.

3. As for the metaphors it’s more about faith than praying. Christ possessed not just belief beyond faith, but knowledge only possible that one of divine nature could have. Thus, he knew his curse, even one made out of frustration would be fulfilled. Hence the anything you ask for without doubt will be given to you. It’s about having faith in God’s blessing, not about fig trees.

1. Okay. I can accept that answer.

2. Is it a hypothetical if it supposedly already occurred, though? He made a coin appear in a fish's mouth and turned water into wine but chose to kill a tree rather than make a fig appear? Is Jesus not about compassion? Seems quite wrathful to kill a tree because its fruits were not in season.

3. Okay but I still don't see how killing a fig tree connects to people having more faith. Did the fig tree not have enough faith?

It was only a tree. You’re really over thinking this

[True Alimeria]

Believe it or not, but Adam and Eve were both of Alimerian nationality.
They had one apple between them, were both completely naked
and believed they were in Paradise ^^

[The Great Western]

1. Christ was a man of human nature, as well as God. God took on human nature, became man. In order for the Incarnation to be true, Christ had to experience all aspects of human existence, including hunger. otherwise he’d only be part human.

2. As for why he didn't just make a fig appear, I suppose you’ll have to ask him that, but I don’t really mess with hypotheticals.

3. As for the metaphors it’s more about faith than praying. Christ possessed not just belief beyond faith, but knowledge only possible that one of divine nature could have. Thus, he knew his curse, even one made out of frustration would be fulfilled. Hence the anything you ask for without doubt will be given to you. It’s about having faith in God’s blessing, not about fig trees.

1. Okay. I can accept that answer.

2. Is it a hypothetical if it supposedly already occurred, though? He made a coin appear in a fish's mouth and turned water into wine but chose to kill a tree rather than make a fig appear? Is Jesus not about compassion? Seems quite wrathful to kill a tree because its fruits were not in season.

3. Okay but I still don't see how killing a fig tree connects to people having more faith. Did the fig tree not have enough faith?

It might mean that the tree having fruits out of season is a representation of people who do not put their faith in God.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

1. Okay. I can accept that answer.

2. Is it a hypothetical if it supposedly already occurred, though? He made a coin appear in a fish's mouth and turned water into wine but chose to kill a tree rather than make a fig appear? Is Jesus not about compassion? Seems quite wrathful to kill a tree because its fruits were not in season.

3. Okay but I still don't see how killing a fig tree connects to people having more faith. Did the fig tree not have enough faith?

It was only a tree. You’re really over thinking this

So, there's no metaphor at all? A fig tree didn't have fruits in season so Jesus threw a tantrum and killed it? Cool.