The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Luminesa]

This a particularly pointless tirade. The Christians were getting killed, and you somehow turn it around to be the fault of the Christians.

Yeah. I'm saying the children's deaths were horrible. And yet celebrated by Christians.

I can offer an olive branch by saying that to me, the Feast of the Holy Innocents has always had a particularly painful story behind it for me, because these were tiny children and babies that were martyrs killed by King Herod. However, we remember these child martyrs, and many child martyrs, because we believe that God is glorified even in His smallest children. As St. Paul writes in Romans, where sin is plentiful, grace abounds.

I would suggest that you maybe read more about the child-saints enthroned in the Church, and ask them to pray for you. That God may grant you the gifts of the Spirit, so they might lead you to understand better how a life of faith should be lived.

[Tarsonis]

The death of any innocent life is, in my opinion, equally tragic. However, I do recognize that a child has more life to live than adults do.

More is stolen from a child that is killed than is stolen from the man who has lived his life. Only Christians have ever said otherwise to me.

True, but consider the premise, in Christianity, to die in righteousness is to be deified. In that regard the only thing a child really gets robbed of is suffering. I’m not saying it’s good to kill children, but going to heaven can never be cnaidered a bad thing.

[Geneviev]

Yeah. I'm saying the children's deaths were horrible. And yet celebrated by Christians.

I can offer an olive branch by saying that to me, the Feast of the Holy Innocents has always had a particularly painful story behind it for me, because these were tiny children and babies that were martyrs killed by King Herod. However, we remember these child martyrs, and many child martyrs, because we believe that God is glorified even in His smallest children. As St. Paul writes in Romans, where sin is plentiful, grace abounds.

I would suggest that you maybe read more about the child-saints enthroned in the Church, and ask them to pray for you. That God may grant you the gifts of the Spirit, so they might lead you to understand better how a life of faith should be lived.

Why should I learn about them? That's going against everything I follow and believe.

[Luminesa]

I can offer an olive branch by saying that to me, the Feast of the Holy Innocents has always had a particularly painful story behind it for me, because these were tiny children and babies that were martyrs killed by King Herod. However, we remember these child martyrs, and many child martyrs, because we believe that God is glorified even in His smallest children. As St. Paul writes in Romans, where sin is plentiful, grace abounds.

I would suggest that you maybe read more about the child-saints enthroned in the Church, and ask them to pray for you. That God may grant you the gifts of the Spirit, so they might lead you to understand better how a life of faith should be lived.

Why should I learn about them? That's going against everything I follow and believe.

Well...why learn about anything you don’t believe? I don’t believe in Lutheranism, but I still have learned a fair bit about Luther and about the sect itself. It is always enriching to learn other peoples’ viewpoints, or to at least try to see from their point of view.

Though I must ask. What’s stopping you from seeing a little child dying for their faith as heroic?

[Geneviev]

Why should I learn about them? That's going against everything I follow and believe.

Well...why learn about anything you don’t believe? I don’t believe in Lutheranism, but I still have learned a fair bit about Luther and about the sect itself. It is always enriching to learn other peoples’ viewpoints, or to at least try to see from their point of view.

Though I must ask. What’s stopping you from seeing a little child dying for their faith as heroic?

I don't mean religion. I mean that morally, I can not justify to myself what feels like celebrating the death of sn innocent child. And other viewpoints are fascinating to learn about.

The child is a child. I can see nothing positive coming from a child's death - especially if it is a murder. A child is not old enough to fully understand religion.

[Tarsonis]

Well...why learn about anything you don’t believe? I don’t believe in Lutheranism, but I still have learned a fair bit about Luther and about the sect itself. It is always enriching to learn other peoples’ viewpoints, or to at least try to see from their point of view.

Though I must ask. What’s stopping you from seeing a little child dying for their faith as heroic?

I don't mean religion. I mean that morally, I can not justify to myself what feels like celebrating the death of sn innocent child. And other viewpoints are fascinating to learn about.

The child is a child. I can see nothing positive coming from a child's death - especially if it is a murder. A child is not old enough to fully understand religion.

Like I said, consider the paradigm. For ChristIans, death isn’t all that bad because it just means we go to heaven. From a certain point of view, death is desirable.

[Lower Nubia]

Oh yeah on that note, I passed all my classes this semester, so it’s official I’m gradumacating with my Masters from Yale Divinity School.

Congratulations.

[Gim]

Well I aced OT interpretation, so take that as you will

Well, all right then. I am sure that you know this stuff.

It's only the Internet, though.

[Salus Maior]

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news ... isis-96656 Let's hope Francis does more than a finger wag.

[Tarsonis]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcat ... h-the-son/



Thoughts?

[United Muscovite Nations]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2018/05/69-of-russian-orthodox-accept-and-with-the-son/



Thoughts?

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

[Anarcho capitalist utopia]

The new pope just proves that jewtholicism is a cuckold ideology. As well as almost every branch of christianity, except for christian identity of course. Jewistants, eastern jewthodox, and any judeo-christian types that follow the lies in the old testament (the founding basis of jewish ideology) are'nt worth my time.

[Auze]

The new pope just proves that jewtholicism is a cuckold ideology. As well as almost every branch of christianity, except for christian identity of course. Jewistants, eastern jewthodox, and any judeo-christian types that follow the lies in the old testament (the founding basis of jewish ideology) are'nt worth my time.

Not you again...

[The South Falls]

The new pope just proves that jewtholicism is a cuckold ideology. As well as almost every branch of christianity, except for christian identity of course. Jewistants, eastern jewthodox, and any judeo-christian types that follow the lies in the old testament (the founding basis of jewish ideology) are'nt worth my time.

Lemme just say that that's very anti-semitic. Number one, "cuckold" is a man who has been cheated on by his S/O, and Jewish relationships are just like everyone else's. Another thing. What lies in the Old Testament? The new pope isn't perfect, but he's alright.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Oh yeah on that note, I passed all my classes this semester, so it’s official I’m gradumacating with my Masters from Yale Divinity School.

Congratulations.

[Frisbeeteria]

The new pope just proves that jewtholicism is a cuckold ideology. As well as almost every branch of christianity, except for christian identity of course. Jewistants, eastern jewthodox, and any judeo-christian types that follow the lies in the old testament (the founding basis of jewish ideology) are'nt worth my time.

*** Warned for trolling. Given your history, that's a one week ban. ***

[Tarsonis]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2018/05/69-of-russian-orthodox-accept-and-with-the-son/



Thoughts?

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

I figured it would be too good to be as meaningful as the writer suggests, but it’s still an interesting development.

[Lower Nubia]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2018/05/69-of-russian-orthodox-accept-and-with-the-son/



Thoughts?

I'd imagine that seeing as most people often have cultural affiliation with their national church rather than an actual faith, that the cultural affiliation with the Orthodox Church that many (if not 90%) would hardly be prudent or discerning on such a nuanced theological matter. It could be aligned with recent surveys which have found that upwards of 40% of European Catholics don't see the Eucharist as the actual body, blood and divinity of Christ. The inability for Protestant Christians to discern their doctrine from another Church or to give proper dispensation of trinitarian doctrine.

In other words: Poor Catechism or, most likely, poor Christians.

[Luminesa]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2018/05/69-of-russian-orthodox-accept-and-with-the-son/



Thoughts?

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

The poll though is about specifically personal beliefs on church dogma. A lot of Catholics don’t go to church except for Christmas and Easter, but that doesn’t mean they don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God, for example.

[Luminesa]

Well, all right then. I am sure that you know this stuff.

It's only the Internet, though.

Tars actually has a Master’s in this subject though.

[Luminesa]

Oh yeah on that note, I passed all my classes this semester, so it’s official I’m gradumacating with my Masters from Yale Divinity School.

YAAAAAAAAAY!!!



I got a year and a summer to go...ulp.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

The poll though is about specifically personal beliefs on church dogma. A lot of Catholics don’t go to church except for Christmas and Easter, but that doesn’t mean they don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God, for example.

It's important though because we say the Creed without the "and the son" every service, so if someone were to attend church regularly, they'd know more of the dogma than otherwise.

[Aulus Maximus]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/throughcatholiclenses/2018/05/69-of-russian-orthodox-accept-and-with-the-son/



Thoughts?

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

I wonder if that also includes Russian Muslims, I don't explicitly see that the survey was done only over Russian Orthodox people.

[Maineiacs]

I think it would be interesting to see how that lines up with Church attendance and self-reported importance of religion. With surveys like this it's important to remember that significant, even a majority, of people who identify as Russian Orthodox only attend Church once a year or not at all.

I wonder if that also includes Russian Muslims, I don't explicitly see that the survey was done only over Russian Orthodox people.

Why would Muslims be asked a question about Filioque?

[United Muscovite Nations]

I wonder if that also includes Russian Muslims, I don't explicitly see that the survey was done only over Russian Orthodox people.

Why would Muslims be asked a question about Filioque?

It's a different survey.