The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Salus Maior]

It’s not implied that it was a good thing. In fact the opposite.

Oh? It's in the Bible. I thought that was a guide for how to live.

The Bible isn't a single book. It's multiple books with various themes and purposes.

[Tarsonis]

It’s not implied that it was a good thing. In fact the opposite.

Oh? It's in the Bible. I thought that was a guide for how to live.

.....you have some odd conceptions of the Bible.

[Geneviev]

Oh? It's in the Bible. I thought that was a guide for how to live.

.....you have some odd conceptions of the Bible.

I don't even know what to say to that. I'm repeating what I was taught here.

[Tarsonis]

.....you have some odd conceptions of the Bible.

I don't even know what to say to that. I'm repeating what I was taught here.

The Bible is a complex work of histories, philosophies, theologies, prayers, prophecies.

To simply say the Bible is a guide on how to live is so simplistic to the point of being false. Just because an event is desribed in the Bible doesn’t mean it is an example of what someone should do.

Moses murdered a guy. David had a loyal subject killed and then seduced his widow. Neither of these are considered good things and they are done by important figures.


Jephthah’s tale is a cautionary one, not one to be emulated. He made a rash vow. He didn’t want to fulfill it but his daughter insisted it must be done. He kept his vow. The moral of the story is don’t make rash vows to God.

[Geneviev]

I don't even know what to say to that. I'm repeating what I was taught here.

The Bible is a complex work of histories, philosophies, theologies, prayers, prophecies.

To simply say the Bible is a guide on how to live is so simplistic to the point of being false. Just because an event is desribed in the Bible doesn’t mean it is an example of what someone should do.

Moses murdered a guy. David had a loyal subject killed and then seduced his widow. Neither of these are considered good things and they are done by important figures.


Jephthah’s tale is a cautionary one, not one to be emulated. He made a rash vow. He didn’t want to fulfill it but his daughter insisted it must be done. He kept his vow. The moral of the story is don’t make rash vows to God.

Ah... okay. If that's your interpretation.

[Northern Davincia]

She didn’t murder her kids. She chose to stand by her faith, and they forced her to make a cruel decision.

She caused their deaths. What about Abraham, who was ready to kill his son? Or Jephtah's daughter?

I'm quite certain the ones who caused their deaths were Roman pagans.

[Geneviev]

She caused their deaths. What about Abraham, who was ready to kill his son? Or Jephtah's daughter?

I'm quite certain the ones who caused their deaths were Roman pagans.

They gave her a chance to save her daughters. Yes, the Roman pagans are the first that should be blamed. St. Sophia should be the second to be blamed.

[Tarsonis]

The Bible is a complex work of histories, philosophies, theologies, prayers, prophecies.

To simply say the Bible is a guide on how to live is so simplistic to the point of being false. Just because an event is desribed in the Bible doesn’t mean it is an example of what someone should do.

Moses murdered a guy. David had a loyal subject killed and then seduced his widow. Neither of these are considered good things and they are done by important figures.


Jephthah’s tale is a cautionary one, not one to be emulated. He made a rash vow. He didn’t want to fulfill it but his daughter insisted it must be done. He kept his vow. The moral of the story is don’t make rash vows to God.

Ah... okay. If that's your interpretation.

Well I aced OT interpretation, so take that as you will

[Geneviev]

Ah... okay. If that's your interpretation.

Well I aced OT interpretation, so take that as you will

Well, all right then. I am sure that you know this stuff.

[Tarsonis]

Oh yeah on that note, I passed all my classes this semester, so it’s official I’m gradumacating with my Masters from Yale Divinity School.

[Northern Davincia]

I'm quite certain the ones who caused their deaths were Roman pagans.

They gave her a chance to save her daughters. Yes, the Roman pagans are the first that should be blamed. St. Sophia should be the second to be blamed.

Sounds like victim-blaming in all fairness. Her daughters were as pious as she was, and would have undoubtedly preferred martyrdom to recognizing a heathen god.

[Geneviev]

They gave her a chance to save her daughters. Yes, the Roman pagans are the first that should be blamed. St. Sophia should be the second to be blamed.

Sounds like victim-blaming in all fairness. Her daughters were as pious as she was, and would have undoubtedly preferred martyrdom to recognizing a heathen god.

I'm sure they were absolutely overjoyed at their murder and thanking their mother.

[Salus Maior]

Oh yeah on that note, I passed all my classes this semester, so it’s official I’m gradumacating with my Masters from Yale Divinity School.

Nice!

[Northern Davincia]

Sounds like victim-blaming in all fairness. Her daughters were as pious as she was, and would have undoubtedly preferred martyrdom to recognizing a heathen god.

I'm sure they were absolutely overjoyed at their murder and thanking their mother.

More or less. Remember, martyrdom is one path to eternal glory.

[Geneviev]

I'm sure they were absolutely overjoyed at their murder and thanking their mother.

More or less. Remember, martyrdom is one path to eternal glory.

You really trust that? They were children. When I was nine, I thought I was prepared to die for my imaginary friend.

[Northern Davincia]

More or less. Remember, martyrdom is one path to eternal glory.

You really trust that? They were children. When I was nine, I thought I was prepared to die for my imaginary friend.

I have no reason to distrust it. This is not about dying for the faith only, it was about dying for what is right, to deny the Romans from taking what was most important to them.
If their deaths were not in vain, they have earned paradise.

[Geneviev]

You really trust that? They were children. When I was nine, I thought I was prepared to die for my imaginary friend.

I have no reason to distrust it. This is not about dying for the faith only, it was about dying for what is right, to deny the Romans from taking what was most important to them.
If their deaths were not in vain, they have earned paradise.

Again, they were children. Do you consider their deaths a good thing?

[Northern Davincia]

I have no reason to distrust it. This is not about dying for the faith only, it was about dying for what is right, to deny the Romans from taking what was most important to them.
If their deaths were not in vain, they have earned paradise.

Again, they were children. Do you consider their deaths a good thing?

Their deaths were tragic, but at the same time, heroic. I do not usually rate the death of another based on their age.

[Geneviev]

Again, they were children. Do you consider their deaths a good thing?

Their deaths were tragic, but at the same time, heroic. I do not usually rate the death of another based on their age.

Good Lord. I don't know if we will come to an agreement here. You do not consider the death of a child worse than the death of an adult?

Heroic. All right then. That's the Christianity I'm familiar with.

[Northern Davincia]

Their deaths were tragic, but at the same time, heroic. I do not usually rate the death of another based on their age.

Good Lord. I don't know if we will come to an agreement here. You do not consider the death of a child worse than the death of an adult?

Heroic. All right then. That's the Christianity I'm familiar with.

The death of any innocent life is, in my opinion, equally tragic. However, I do recognize that a child has more life to live than adults do.

[Geneviev]

Good Lord. I don't know if we will come to an agreement here. You do not consider the death of a child worse than the death of an adult?

Heroic. All right then. That's the Christianity I'm familiar with.

The death of any innocent life is, in my opinion, equally tragic. However, I do recognize that a child has more life to live than adults do.

More is stolen from a child that is killed than is stolen from the man who has lived his life. Only Christians have ever said otherwise to me.

[Hakons]

The death of any innocent life is, in my opinion, equally tragic. However, I do recognize that a child has more life to live than adults do.

More is stolen from a child that is killed than is stolen from the man who has lived his life. Only Christians have ever said otherwise to me.

This a particularly pointless tirade. The Christians were getting killed, and you somehow turn it around to be the fault of the Christians.

[Geneviev]

More is stolen from a child that is killed than is stolen from the man who has lived his life. Only Christians have ever said otherwise to me.

This a particularly pointless tirade. The Christians were getting killed, and you somehow turn it around to be the fault of the Christians.

Yeah. I'm saying the children's deaths were horrible. And yet celebrated by Christians.

[Hakons]

This a particularly pointless tirade. The Christians were getting killed, and you somehow turn it around to be the fault of the Christians.

Yeah. I'm saying the children's deaths were horrible. And yet celebrated by Christians.

We celebrate their faith, which they kept to the point of death, and not their death in itself.

[Geneviev]

Yeah. I'm saying the children's deaths were horrible. And yet celebrated by Christians.

We celebrate their faith, which they kept to the point of death, and not their death in itself.

All right. Okay. I'll drop it.