The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

This is the ninth version of the Christian discussion thread, where participants can discuss Christianity in general, the differences between the denominations, general comparative theology (both within and without Christianity), Church history, and many other topics.

While discussion naturally covers a broad range of themes, members of the moderation team (including those participating in the thread), may occasionally gently suggest that some topics might be best taken to a separate thread; this will usually only occur when a subject is itself the subject of discussion in recurring separate NSG threads and would risk dominating this thread if discussed here (examples include, but are not limited to, abortion, homosexuality, the existence of the historical Jesus and/or the existence of God.)

Link to part VIII: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=390688

[Pasong Tirad]

Gotta love that new thread smell!

[The Federation of Kendor]

What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

oh no now i dont got an option to vote for

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Yay a new thread.

[Uxupox]

Any idea where I can get readings on the aspect of dualism? As a roman catholic it intrigues me a lot.

[Luminesa]

GREETINGS MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS. AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A CHRISTIAN PARTY.

[The Norgan Alliance]

What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

Something, something, we're right, something, something…

[Lady Scylla]

GREETINGS MY FELLOW CHRISTIANS. AIN'T NO PARTY LIKE A CHRISTIAN PARTY.

*Dumps Deism on Lumi*

[Lady Scylla]

What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

[The Norgan Alliance]

What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

If seems to me that Jefferson was trying to change Jesus into someone he liked, instead of following him wholeheartedly.

Oh and also it speaks in Revelation about how changing the words of God is a sin, so the Jefferson bible is a sin-filled document.

[The Blaatschapen]

What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

If seems to me that Jefferson was trying to change Jesus into someone he liked, instead of following him wholeheartedly.

Oh and also it speaks in Revelation about how changing the words of God is a sin, so the Jefferson bible is a sin-filled document.

So it is the playboy of bibles?

[Pasong Tirad]

To continue a discussion from the previous thread, it is true that the United States (and any other nation) has to serve the interests of the state before God (thus is the nature of secularism). It doesn't explain, however, why so many Christians aren't themselves going out of their way to attempt to change policy in such a way as to make sure that refugees and immigrants are freely welcomed into their nation, and to make sure that Christians who hold differing views on immigration are smacked in the head with Matthew 25.

[Dylar]

What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

Also, I love this new thread smell...smells like...baby powder almost...

[The Federation of Kendor]

What is the difference between Catholicism and Protestanism

There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

Also, I love this new thread smell...smells like...baby powder almost...

Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

[Dylar]

There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

Also, I love this new thread smell...smells like...baby powder almost...

Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps Tars can fill you in on that one?

[Dutch Congo]

Catholic Corporatism right now.

Clerical Fascism right now.

[Uxupox]

What're peep's thoughts on the Jefferson Bible?

If seems to me that Jefferson was trying to change Jesus into someone he liked, instead of following him wholeheartedly.

Oh and also it speaks in Revelation about how changing the words of God is a sin, so the Jefferson bible is a sin-filled document.

It's a salad-bar of low quality.

[Nordengrund]

Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

Honestly, I don't know. Perhaps Tars can fill you in on that one?

From a Protestant perspective, at least, Martin Luthernproginally moved the apocryphal texts to the back of the Bible in its own section. They weren't removed until later because translators considered them less important than the other books of the Bible, I think after his death, and the Protestant Bible was based on a different canon.

[Pasong Tirad]

Catholic Corporatism right now.

Clerical Fascism right now.

Tempting.

But.

How about.

No?

The Church is about liberation, not oppression.

[Vulkata II]

Thoughts on the Westboro Baptist church?

[The Federation of Kendor]

Thoughts on the Westboro Baptist church?

I think they are radicals. They make modern pop songs into their propaganda songs preaching their values, and more things.

Also, how do you think of Gilead from The Handmaid's Tale (I know this isn't a Handmaid's Tale discussion thread but Gilead is christian)

[Tarsonis Survivors]

There are tons of differences. Where should I start? Well, in Catholicism, we believe that the Eucharist, that is the bread and wine, transubstantiate into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, while the Protestants believe that it's nothing more than a symbol. The Catholic bible has 73 books in it, while the Protestant bible has 66. Why is this? Well, when Martin Luther started up Lutheranism, he took out 7 books that he deemed were unnecessary. Those books were: Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther (Vulgate Esther 10:4–16:24), Wisdom (also called the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (also called Ecclesiasticus), Baruch, including the Letter of Jeremiah (Additions to Jeremiah in the Septuagint), Additions to Daniel: Prayer of Azariah and Song of the Three Holy Children (Vulgate Daniel 3:24–90), Susanna (Vulgate Daniel 13, Septuagint prologue), Bel and the Dragon (Vulgate Daniel 14, Septuagint epilogue), 1 Maccabees, and 2 Maccabees.

Also, I love this new thread smell...smells like...baby powder almost...

Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

I don't know if I'm the best to fill you in, I'm pretty biased on the subject.

"Officially" the seven apocryphal texts were removed from Protestant canon because they don't appear in the Hebrew canon. However the truth is much more sinister, in that the Protestant reformers, Luther in particular, tried to remove books from the canon that contradicted their theology. Luther, for instance, tried to get James removed, going so far as calling it the "epistlenof straw" primarily for its emphasis on works as necessary for salvation. But fortunately other reformers rejected this effort.

[Dylar]

Why did he think that those seven books are unnecessary

I don't know if I'm the best to fill you in, I'm pretty biased on the subject.

"Officially" the seven apocryphal texts were removed from Protestant canon because they don't appear in the Hebrew canon. However the truth is much more sinister, in that the Protestant reformers, Luther in particular, tried to remove books from the canon that contradicted their theology. Luther, for instance, tried to get James removed, going so far as calling it the "epistlenof straw" primarily for its emphasis on works as necessary for salvation. But fortunately other reformers rejected this effort.

Isn't it also true that Luther tried getting rid of Revelation?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I don't know if I'm the best to fill you in, I'm pretty biased on the subject.

"Officially" the seven apocryphal texts were removed from Protestant canon because they don't appear in the Hebrew canon. However the truth is much more sinister, in that the Protestant reformers, Luther in particular, tried to remove books from the canon that contradicted their theology. Luther, for instance, tried to get James removed, going so far as calling it the "epistlenof straw" primarily for its emphasis on works as necessary for salvation. But fortunately other reformers rejected this effort.

Isn't it also true that Luther tried getting rid of Revelation?

I'm not entirely sure, but it wouldn't surprise me. Revelation is an.... odd... book to say the least.