The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

He was. That much is certain. But non Romans could serve in the auxiliaries.

Wasn't there a conflict of interests with Jews joining the Roman Army, even for citizenship, though? Or was this mainly an issue that Jews in the Palestine region felt?

I'm sure that there was. But I'm sure that there were those who didn't care.

[Stonok]

Admittedly it'd be fascinating if Paul's father was a Roman soldier. Just seems cool to think that one of Rome's impenetrable shield walls may have had the father of an Apostle behind it at one point.

[Salus Maior]

His father might very well have been military, then. Paul was not, though.

I'm fairly sure Paul was of Jewish descent, not Roman.

He was half Jewish. His father was a Roman citizen.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I'm fairly sure Paul was of Jewish descent, not Roman.

He was half Jewish. His father was a Roman citizen.

You could be non-Roman and still be a citizen.

[NewLakotah]

Admittedly it'd be fascinating if Paul's father was a Roman soldier. Just seems cool to think that one of Rome's impenetrable shield walls may have had the father of an Apostle behind it at one point.

I had read at some point that Tarsus was declared a "free city" by a Roman emperor and thus all people born in that city was given Roman citizenship.

[Salus Maior]

Admittedly it'd be fascinating if Paul's father was a Roman soldier. Just seems cool to think that one of Rome's impenetrable shield walls may have had the father of an Apostle behind it at one point.

I had read at some point that Tarsus was declared a "free city" by a Roman emperor and thus all people born in that city was given Roman citizenship.

Unless it was Augustus then that probably wasn't it.

[Salus Maior]

He was half Jewish. His father was a Roman citizen.

You could be non-Roman and still be a citizen.

No, it's pretty widely accepted that he was a half-Jew.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

You could be non-Roman and still be a citizen.

No, it's pretty widely accepted that he was a half-Jew.

What?

[NewLakotah]

I had read at some point that Tarsus was declared a "free city" by a Roman emperor and thus all people born in that city was given Roman citizenship.

Unless it was Augustus then that probably wasn't it.

Quite Right. Here is an interesting look into it, if your interested.

[United Muscovite Nations]

An extremist Persian Nestorian monk and theologian was leading a doxology on Nestorius, known heretic
"Before the liturgy begins, you must acknowledge Nestorius as the most highly evolved theologian of all time! Even more so than Cyril of Alexandria!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Papal legate who had served 50 years as Prince of the Church and understood the necessity of the Holy Councils and fully supported all theological decision made by the First Vatican Council stood up and held up a rock.

"What does this rock represent?"

The arrogant monk smirked quite Easterlingly and smugly replied "It represents the unity of the Catholic communion, you stupid triumphalist!"

"Wrong. It represents the solid foundation of Papal authority. If it were about the communion as you say, then more than 1% of Catholics would be Eastern"

The monk was visibly shaken, and dropped his incense and copy of Nestorius' memoirs. He stormed out of the room crying those heretical crocodile tears.

The catecumen applauded and all enrolled in RCIA that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "one incarnate nature of the word of God" flew into the room and perched atop the Papal standard and shed a tear on the incense. The Oath Against Modernism was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted distributism across the country.

The monk was put under investigation and was excommunicated the next day. He died of syphilis and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Kyrie Eleison

[Salus Maior]

An extremist Persian Nestorian monk and theologian was leading a doxology on Nestorius, known heretic
"Before the liturgy begins, you must acknowledge Nestorius as the most highly evolved theologian of all time! Even more so than Cyril of Alexandria!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Papal legate who had served 50 years as Prince of the Church and understood the necessity of the Holy Councils and fully supported all theological decision made by the First Vatican Council stood up and held up a rock.

"What does this rock represent?"

The arrogant monk smirked quite Easterlingly and smugly replied "It represents the unity of the Catholic communion, you stupid triumphalist!"

"Wrong. It represents the solid foundation of Papal authority. If it were about the communion as you say, then more than 1% of Catholics would be Eastern"

The monk was visibly shaken, and dropped his incense and copy of Nestorius' memoirs. He stormed out of the room crying those heretical crocodile tears.

The catecumen applauded and all enrolled in RCIA that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "one incarnate nature of the word of God" flew into the room and perched atop the Papal standard and shed a tear on the incense. The Oath Against Modernism was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted distributism across the country.

The monk was put under investigation and was excommunicated the next day. He died of syphilis and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Kyrie Eleison

Eh?

[Auze]

An extremist Persian Nestorian monk and theologian was leading a doxology on Nestorius, known heretic
"Before the liturgy begins, you must acknowledge Nestorius as the most highly evolved theologian of all time! Even more so than Cyril of Alexandria!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Papal legate who had served 50 years as Prince of the Church and understood the necessity of the Holy Councils and fully supported all theological decision made by the First Vatican Council stood up and held up a rock.

"What does this rock represent?"

The arrogant monk smirked quite Easterlingly and smugly replied "It represents the unity of the Catholic communion, you stupid triumphalist!"

"Wrong. It represents the solid foundation of Papal authority. If it were about the communion as you say, then more than 1% of Catholics would be Eastern"

The monk was visibly shaken, and dropped his incense and copy of Nestorius' memoirs. He stormed out of the room crying those heretical crocodile tears.

The catecumen applauded and all enrolled in RCIA that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named "one incarnate nature of the word of God" flew into the room and perched atop the Papal standard and shed a tear on the incense. The Oath Against Modernism was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted distributism across the country.

The monk was put under investigation and was excommunicated the next day. He died of syphilis and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Kyrie Eleison

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's just a copypasta, don't take it too seriously.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

The arrogant monk smirked quite Easterlingly

OFFENSE

[Salus Maior]

Is Easterling actually a slur for Iranians?

[The Archregimancy]

No, it's pretty widely accepted that he was a half-Jew.

What?

For what it's worth, I'm not sure Jews for Jesus is the most unimpeachable source over the Jewishness of early Christian leaders. They have their own reasons for stressing how Jewish the early Church was.

That said, I don't think it's seriously in dispute that St Paul was born and raised a Jew of the Roman diaspora. Pages 12-15 of Michael Grant's 1976 biography of Paul (an actual academic source by a genuine historian) go into some detail on this (my copy is the 2000 Phoenix Press reprint).

And if Grant won't do, Philippians 3:5 is fairly unambiguous that Paul was, in his own estimation, 'circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee'; and his father seems to have been a Pharisee too (Acts 23:6). Acts 22:3 also indicates that despite his birth in Tarsus, he was sent to Jerusalem at a young age to study under Gamaliel the Elder, which would imply a certain level of Jewishness.

I know of no evidence that Paul was only half Jewish.

[Genivaria]

Is Easterling actually a slur for Iranians?

Only if you take Lord of the Rings too seriously imo.
That said the Rhun warriors looked AWESOME.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Is Easterling actually a slur for Iranians?

I've never been called it (and I've been called a lot of things), so I'm gonna say no.

[Genivaria]

Is Easterling actually a slur for Iranians?

I've never been called it (and I've been called a lot of things), so I'm gonna say no.

Serious question have you ever seen Lord of the Rings?
Because when people use the word 'Easterling' they're usually referring to that imo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=easterl ... 94&bih=486

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I've never been called it (and I've been called a lot of things), so I'm gonna say no.

Serious question have you ever seen Lord of the Rings?
Because when people use the word 'Easterling' they're usually referring to that imo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=easterl ... 94&bih=486

I tried to get into it and got bored pretty quickly, tbh.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've never been called it (and I've been called a lot of things), so I'm gonna say no.

Serious question have you ever seen Lord of the Rings?
Because when people use the word 'Easterling' they're usually referring to that imo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=easterl ... 94&bih=486

Tolkien got the word from an archaic real world that means an inhabitant of the orient.

[Tarsonis]

Serious question have you ever seen Lord of the Rings?
Because when people use the word 'Easterling' they're usually referring to that imo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=easterl ... 94&bih=486

I tried to get into it and got bored pretty quickly, tbh.

Tolkien's inspiration for the LOTR saga drew heavily on his experiences in world war 1. The Easterlings are most likely an amalgam of North African and Asia Minor cultural influences.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I tried to get into it and got bored pretty quickly, tbh.

Tolkien's inspiration for the LOTR saga drew heavily on his experiences in world war 1. The Easterlings are most likely an amalgam of North African and Asia Minor cultural influences.

*huffs angrily* he would make the brown people be evil.

[Tarsonis]

Tolkien's inspiration for the LOTR saga drew heavily on his experiences in world war 1. The Easterlings are most likely an amalgam of North African and Asia Minor cultural influences.

*huffs angrily* he would make the brown people be evil.

To be fair, the Orcs/Axis are the evil people. The Easterlings/Ottomans are more mercenaries that agree to fight on their side.


Edit: and actually I'm conflating two peoples. The Easterlings came from Rhun, and are based north eastern Europeans, think Caucuses, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Fin etc.

The peoples based on the Ottomans were the Umbar.

[Dylar]

*huffs angrily* he would make the brown people be evil.

To be fair, the Orcs/Axis are the evil people. The Easterlings/Ottomans are more mercenaries that agree to fight on their side.


Edit: and actually I'm conflating two peoples. The Easterlings came from Rhun, and are based north eastern Europeans, think Caucuses, Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Fin etc.

The peoples based on the Ottomans were the Umbar.

O kurwa, I'm an Easterling by blood...