The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Minzerland II]

Agreed, that is nonsense. Although at first glance it may seem like OT God is an asshole, upon further investigation, one sees that he had good reasons for what he did and was surprisingly compassionate.

Like by killing everything and everyone who wasn't on Noah's Ark?

Genesis 6-9

Seemed pretty justified to me, fam

[Hakons]

Since the Bible is the Word of God, surely you would profess belief in the Resurrection?

I would.

That is, if I were not looking for people who can do a better job of being Christian than the one person who forced me out of Christianity.

The only reason I am still here is to see if there are people who follow the Bible and who can explain why. Otherwise I have found a group who actually accept me as I am at the moment.

All Christians try to be our best, but if you are looking for a perfect example it can only be found in Christ. I do not know who forced you out of Christianity, but I do know that God would like you to return to Christianity. Do not believe out if how other Christians treat you, since that is variable, but out of how God treats you, which is invariable love.

[Northern Davincia]

Since the Bible is the Word of God, surely you would profess belief in the Resurrection?

I would.

That is, if I were not looking for people who can do a better job of being Christian than the one person who forced me out of Christianity.

The only reason I am still here is to see if there are people who follow the Bible and who can explain why. Otherwise I have found a group who actually accept me as I am at the moment.

I extend my sympathies to you but no person can force you out of Christianity. Only you can make that decision. Christians rejoice at persecution.

Before the Flood, humans mated with angels and created vile abominations. Their wickedness was on a level that we can scarcely imagine.

Did all humans and animals do that? Again, the whole 'kill everybody' thing does not seem compassionate to me.

I don't mean to argue the point though, particularly as this is you guy's thread and I don't want to cause an argument.

The animals are irrelevant but the point is that every human, except for Noah and his kin, was evil.

Did all humans and animals do that? Again, the whole 'kill everybody' thing does not seem compassionate to me.

I don't mean to argue the point though, particularly as this is you guy's thread and I don't want to cause an argument.

What? Humans never did that with angels. If angels did that, they would be rebelling against God, and would become demons.

Genesis 6:4 says otherwise.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Please don't. NSG is not your blog. You are not forbidden to post in this thread, but please try to engage in discussion rather than treating it as a blog.

What? Bringing news of concern to the masses is illegal now? Hey there's always the very private and instantaneous TG to reach me if a response is urgently sought but I figured some conspiracy is emerging from the depths of hell and someone has to expose it!!!!! (It's hard work)

<sigh>

Tell you what; I'll leave it to you to convince the Saudis to excavate the site of his well-attested grave, shall I?

Come to think of it, these NWO types really have nothing to lose by trying to clone the ancient figures of each major religion. Think about it. If they rez them successfully they can control the world through them (or liquidate if uncooperative *ahem* and clone again) or if no dna evidence are found they will "prove" religions are baseless inventions of mythical figures thatnever actually existed. It's brilliant! (In an evil sort of way, of course).

BY THE WAY THIS POST COUNTS IN WAY OF RESPONDING TO A DISCUSSION SO KNOCK OFF THE THREATS.

[Ferretslavia]

What? Humans never did that with angels. If angels did that, they would be rebelling against God, and would become demons.

I mean, those angels could've been the 1/3 of the angels that followed Satan and rebelled against God.

Good point. I remember the justification for that from scripture was something like "the Sons of God saw the daughters of men were beautiful and had babies with them" or something along those lines. Seems flimsy to me.

[Albrenia]

I don't imagine one would follow someone around earnestly believing they are literally God, and then be surprised and suspicious when they turn up post death, or are reported to have done so. Particularly not after all the other miracles Jesus pulled in front of them, allegedly.

Your proposition is confusing Jesus with someone who looks similar, a mass delusion is ridiculous, yet even a look-a-like would not be sufficient as the Apostles watched and saw the holes in His hands and Scar on His side, and talked to Him. This isn't a chance sighting.

And, except where they said they did exactly that...

Matthew 26:56:

"But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled."

So did they recognise him, or did they say 'nah that's not him' and forsake him?

[Dylar]

Read Cold Case Christianity. This is actually what converted me to Christianity. http://www.coldcasechristianity.com/dow ... erInfo.pdf
It is written by a former atheist cold case detective who applied the standards for reliable testimony in court to the Bible and deemed it reliable.

Aww... I'm going to be converted to Christianity?

Look, I believe in the Bible. I have more problems with the Church that follows it. Yeah?

Christianity has tons of denominations, so, as much as I hate to say it, you can find one to convert to that's right for you other than the Catholic Church.

[Ferretslavia]

I would.

That is, if I were not looking for people who can do a better job of being Christian than the one person who forced me out of Christianity.

The only reason I am still here is to see if there are people who follow the Bible and who can explain why. Otherwise I have found a group who actually accept me as I am at the moment.

I extend my sympathies to you but no person can force you out of Christianity. Only you can make that decision. Christians rejoice at persecution.

Did all humans and animals do that? Again, the whole 'kill everybody' thing does not seem compassionate to me.

I don't mean to argue the point though, particularly as this is you guy's thread and I don't want to cause an argument.

The animals are irrelevant but the point is that every human, except for Noah and his kin, was evil.

What? Humans never did that with angels. If angels did that, they would be rebelling against God, and would become demons.

Genesis 6:4 says otherwise.

Oh, I looked it up and it seems I was wrong. I was not aware it mentioned Nephilim.

[Lower Nubia]

Your proposition is confusing Jesus with someone who looks similar, a mass delusion is ridiculous, yet even a look-a-like would not be sufficient as the Apostles watched and saw the holes in His hands and Scar on His side, and talked to Him. This isn't a chance sighting.

And, except where they said they did exactly that...

Matthew 26:56:

"But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled."

So did they recognise him, or did they say 'nah that's not him' and forsake him?

They forsook him first, because Matthew 26 is before Matthew 28. He hadn't been killed yet, but the disciples scattered when Jesus was arrested.

[Farnhamia]

A tradition confirmed by the Bible.

Humiliatingly, yes, I meant verse 13. My apologies.

They are referring to Scripture, as God's word is accepted by most Christians to be contained in the Bible. If not, then what purpose does the Bible serve?

How can you believe in Sola Scriptura but support the gay nonsense? I don't care what denomination you are, but hypocrite Christians like you are the worst.

Let's keep it civil, okay? How does that remark contribute anything useful to the discussion?

[Tarsonis]

They're not referring to scripture per say. They're referring to the word of God. The word of God is more than just mere words, it has a much more abstract connotation, like Sophia/wisdom.

Christ is the incarnate Word of God. In simplistic terms, both Scripture and Tradition are the word of God by transitive property, because they are inspired by the Word of God.

I don't mean to interrupt the serious discussion with this, truly, but I know three people with the name Sophia and all three are not particularly wise. Very gifted in the arts, though.

Then what purpose does the Bible have? If it is not the final authority on God, how do we believe it?

Firstly there is no "final authority" on God. The person of God is so beyond human comprehension, the Bible and Sacred tradition barely scratch the surface.

Second, the Bible is important, and is a foundation of the faith. I've never said otherwise. My point is there are doctrines beyond what the Church canonized in the Bible, which we constitute Sacred Tradition. The Bible is itself Tradition, and exists in harmonious marriage with the rest of Sacred Tradition. So the demand of "Show me where it is in the Bibile." Isn't the litmus test you seem to think it is.

Lastly, the question of how do we believe it would be relevant if we hold to your criteria or not? How do we believe it? Through faith. I don't know if you're aware but belief and faith are derived from the same koine greek word: πίστις. Faith and Belief are the same thing. We take the Bible, Tradition, the Church, all of it, on Faith. This is easy for some, harder for others, but it is the way of things.

[Geneviev]

I extend my sympathies to you but no person can force you out of Christianity. Only you can make that decision. Christians rejoice at persecution.

It's a bit difficult to rejoice when the person who taught you the Bible in the original language looks at you and calls you an abomination. Tells you that you have to choose between following God and holding the belief that LGTBQ+ deserve to be alive. Not marry, but just not be stoned to death.

[Ferretslavia]

Aww... I'm going to be converted to Christianity?

Look, I believe in the Bible. I have more problems with the Church that follows it. Yeah?

Christianity has tons of denominations, so, as much as I hate to say it, you can find one to convert to that's right for you other than the Catholic Church.

Yeah, there are TONS of liberal denominations that would suit you perfectly. Although I dislike liberal denominations with a passion because of their hypocrisy in how they pick and choose which parts of Scripture they want to follow, I'd rather you join a liberal one than leave Christianity. ELCA is one you'd like.

[Albrenia]

-snip-

So every single human being was evil, except one family? Seems a tad unbelievable, but that's just me I guess.

[Geneviev]

Aww... I'm going to be converted to Christianity?

Look, I believe in the Bible. I have more problems with the Church that follows it. Yeah?

Christianity has tons of denominations, so, as much as I hate to say it, you can find one to convert to that's right for you other than the Catholic Church.

I'm already no longer in the Catholic church. I attend a Lutheran church. I was always raised between the two. Should I be Pentecostal now? No. They will still be the same sort of people.

I followed Christianity until I realised that my radical idea of God loving people was considered heresy.

[Ferretslavia]

I extend my sympathies to you but no person can force you out of Christianity. Only you can make that decision. Christians rejoice at persecution.

It's a bit difficult to rejoice when the person who taught you the Bible in the original language looks at you and calls you an abomination. Tells you that you have to choose between following God and holding the belief that LGTBQ+ deserve to be alive. Not marry, but just not be stoned to death.

You realize the stoning penalty only applied to ancient Israel? Jesus said we don't have to follow most of the old Jewish laws.

[Tarsonis]

I extend my sympathies to you but no person can force you out of Christianity. Only you can make that decision. Christians rejoice at persecution.

It's a bit difficult to rejoice when the person who taught you the Bible in the original language looks at you and calls you an abomination. Tells you that you have to choose between following God and holding the belief that LGTBQ+ deserve to be alive. Not marry, but just not be stoned to death.

Indeed. That's a misguided fundee teaching, and not at all in line with the teachings of Christ or his Church.

Granted, the Church makes mistakes it is comprised of humans after all. But the long arc of the Church curves towards righteousness.

[Tarsonis]

It's a bit difficult to rejoice when the person who taught you the Bible in the original language looks at you and calls you an abomination. Tells you that you have to choose between following God and holding the belief that LGTBQ+ deserve to be alive. Not marry, but just not be stoned to death.

You realize the stoning penalty only applied to ancient Israel? Jesus said we don't have to follow most of the old Jewish laws.

Dude, just stop. Leave them alone. You're not helping.

[Geneviev]

It's a bit difficult to rejoice when the person who taught you the Bible in the original language looks at you and calls you an abomination. Tells you that you have to choose between following God and holding the belief that LGTBQ+ deserve to be alive. Not marry, but just not be stoned to death.

You realize the stoning penalty only applied to ancient Israel? Jesus said we don't have to follow most of the old Jewish laws.

That was what I said. That was what I said. It was your religion that called me an abomination for that.

[Albrenia]

Please don't. NSG is not your blog. You are not forbidden to post in this thread, but please try to engage in discussion rather than treating it as a blog.

What? Bringing news of concern to the masses is illegal now? Hey there's always the very private and instantaneous TG to reach me if a response is urgently sought but I figured some conspiracy is emerging from the depths of hell and someone has to expose it!!!!! (It's hard work)

<sigh>

Tell you what; I'll leave it to you to convince the Saudis to excavate the site of his well-attested grave, shall I?

Come to think of it, these NWO types really have nothing to lose by trying to clone the ancient figures of each major religion. Think about it. If they rez them successfully they can control the world through them (or liquidate if uncooperative *ahem* and clone again) or if no dna evidence are found they will "prove" religions are baseless inventions of mythical figures thatnever actually existed. It's brilliant! (In an evil sort of way, of course).

BY THE WAY THIS POST COUNTS IN WAY OF RESPONDING TO A DISCUSSION SO KNOCK OFF THE THREATS.

I hope to you guys' God that this dude's a Poe.

[Tarsonis]

Christianity has tons of denominations, so, as much as I hate to say it, you can find one to convert to that's right for you other than the Catholic Church.

I'm already no longer in the Catholic church. I attend a Lutheran church. I was always raised between the two. Should I be Pentecostal now? No. They will still be the same sort of people.

I followed Christianity until I realised that my radical idea of God loving people was considered heresy.

I'd say come back to the Catholic Church. What happened to you sucks, but it's by far not the universal or even the official teaching of the Catholic Church.

[Tarsonis]

What? Bringing news of concern to the masses is illegal now? Hey there's always the very private and instantaneous TG to reach me if a response is urgently sought but I figured some conspiracy is emerging from the depths of hell and someone has to expose it!!!!! (It's hard work)


Come to think of it, these NWO types really have nothing to lose by trying to clone the ancient figures of each major religion. Think about it. If they rez them successfully they can control the world through them (or liquidate if uncooperative *ahem* and clone again) or if no dna evidence are found they will "prove" religions are baseless inventions of mythical figures thatnever actually existed. It's brilliant! (In an evil sort of way, of course).

BY THE WAY THIS POST COUNTS IN WAY OF RESPONDING TO A DISCUSSION SO KNOCK OFF THE THREATS.

I hope to you guys' God that this dude's a Poe.

Sadly, no.

[Ferretslavia]

It's a bit difficult to rejoice when the person who taught you the Bible in the original language looks at you and calls you an abomination. Tells you that you have to choose between following God and holding the belief that LGTBQ+ deserve to be alive. Not marry, but just not be stoned to death.

Indeed. That's a misguided fundee teaching, and not at all in line with the teachings of Christ or his Church.

Granted, the Church makes mistakes it is comprised of humans after all. But the long arc of the Church curves towards righteousness.

Not misguided fundie teaching at all. New Testament reiterates that gay is an abomination, just no death penalty. Romans 1:26-28.

[Tarsonis]

You realize the stoning penalty only applied to ancient Israel? Jesus said we don't have to follow most of the old Jewish laws.

That was what I said. That was what I said. It was your religion that called me an abomination for that.

It says no such thing.

[Ferretslavia]

I'm already no longer in the Catholic church. I attend a Lutheran church. I was always raised between the two. Should I be Pentecostal now? No. They will still be the same sort of people.

I followed Christianity until I realised that my radical idea of God loving people was considered heresy.

I'd say come back to the Catholic Church. What happened to you sucks, but it's by far not the universal or even the official teaching of the Catholic Church.

Not universal, but certainly official.