The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Is it ok if I say hecc or fricc

Fricc isn't even related to anything to do with Christianity...

Oh, or is this a reference to the 'Christian Roblox/Minecraft server' meme?

It is that yes.

[Hakons]

>People thinking Hell is a laughing matter

>people thinking hell exists

Welcome to the Christian Discussion Thread? Hell does exist. Those that separate themselves from God should not be surprised they stay separate from God.

Why are some Christians conservative when Jesus actually was rebellious against the old doctrines by the religious authorities at that time? He would have been considered to be a liberal if he was alive today

Jesus likely wouldn't identify with any modern political position. He was mostly concerned about our spiritual and social life, not our civic life. Most Christians are conservative because we profess faith in Jesus Christ, Who gave us an absolute moral law to follow. This moral law is unchanging, so Christians resist pushes to change this perfect morality. Many liberals claim that there is no such thing as absolute truth, that "god is dead," and that morality is relative. It should be no surprise that liberals find themselves with fewer and fewer Christians in their ranks with these attitudes. That being said, conservatism isn't perfect either. American conservatism is saturated with selfish individualism, or the attitude that one doesn't have to care for their neighbors, and that is quite the opposite of the message of the Gospel.

[Hakons]

I don’t think a satanist is going to give a rats ass about anything the Bible says

Myths don't frighten me.

Even the demons know Hell exists, so where does that leave you?

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Only it is nonsense. #1 the Evangelical branch is not nearly 800 mil, that’s total Protestants.
#2. The Evangelical branch getting excited isn’t proof of anything.
#3 the notion that the nation state of Israel must be refounded is no where in scripture, rather it is a deduction based on an interpretation of certain passages. A wrong interpretation that is, or at least not overtly correct.

(1) 1.2b Catholics, 300m Orthodox, 800m Evangelicals (includes Pentecostals, Charismatics and Non-denominationals), the rest Mainline Protestant (the share is shrinking rapidly).

You’re not catholic so don’t pretend to know catholic doctrine especially when you don’t get it right.

The sin of omission is well-known and self-explanatory.

Guess you better become a Jew then, Jesus isn’t the messiah after all.

"13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."
(2 Corinthians 11:13–15)

[Big Jim P]

Myths don't frighten me.

Even the demons know Hell exists, so where does that leave you?

Back at "myths don't frighten me".

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

He [edit: the Pope] is a human being, therefore he can make mistakes. I believe that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. That is true. I personally believe that good works are a sign of faith, if you lack good works, you lack faith.

Amen!
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body."
(1 Corinthians 6:18)

Considering we're on the CDT, yes, we do think Hell exists.

Is it still CDT if we have judaists, muslims, and now hindus?
Let's name thread X as "CAT" - Christian Apologetics Thread!

So you're Evangelical now?

What the heck are you, man.

Well, I thought my Anglican parish was a high church but they have contemporary worship service which incorporates modern gospel songs so I thought "hmmm maybe we are low church afterall" then coming here to discuss about the Faith and the discourse eventually led me to realisation that there's an evangelical strain in Anglicanism (which I wasn't aware of but I guess Ang. is a bit of everything) so there!

Labels are very challenging.

[Hakons]

Even the demons know Hell exists, so where does that leave you?

Back at "myths don't frighten me".

Your stubborn foolishness doesn't make truth a myth. Continue down this path you have chosen, and you will receive exactly what you have chosen: eternal separation from the Divine.

[Rivine]

I'm looking to get into Roman Catholicism (I've always been catholic by name but haven't read much)

Any recommendations as to what books I should read first?

[Big Jim P]

Back at "myths don't frighten me".

Your stubborn foolishness doesn't make truth a myth. Continue down this path you have chosen, and you will receive exactly what you have chosen: eternal separation from the Divine.

So be it. *shrug*

[New Emeline]

Both my parents' families are Adventist, so that's really the only subset of Christianity I'm familiar with. What are the major differences between all the denominations, and how much do they matter?

[Northern Davincia]

From my admittedly incomplete understanding of Christianity:

• Papal Authority
• Trans vs. Consubstantiation
• Works + Faith vs Just Faith

Also whether Protestantism is a heresy.

Protestantism is heresy.

I'm looking to get into Roman Catholicism (I've always been catholic by name but haven't read much)

Any recommendations as to what books I should read first?

Catholic Encyclopedias are quite helpful.

Back at "myths don't frighten me".

Your stubborn foolishness doesn't make truth a myth. Continue down this path you have chosen, and you will receive exactly what you have chosen: eternal separation from the Divine.

What were expecting from a Satanist?

[Genivaria]

Myths don't frighten me.

Even the demons know Hell exists, so where does that leave you?

Why do the demons get more to make an informed decision but the rest of us don't?
Wait no they're informed but screwed anyway....that's doubly fucked.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Both my parents' families are Adventist, so that's really the only subset of Christianity I'm familiar with. What are the major differences between all the denominations, and how much do they matter?

That would be a huge post, so I'll just cover the ones I'm most familiar with, which would be Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Oriental Communion.

What the three have in common is that they agree with the belief in Apostolic tradition as the basis of the faith, as well as the belief in episcopal administration in which bishops who are appointed by previous bishops in a line going back to one of the original Apostles run the church.

Here are some of the main differences

Roman Catholicism believes that the Pope of Rome, as the successor of Saint Peter, is the head of the Church and Vicar of Christ on Earth. As such, the Pope of Rome has absolute power in administration and theoretically in belief. The Roman Catholic Church believes that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son. They follow the Council of Chalcedon in believing that Christ has two natures in union which are Human and Divine. The Roman Catholic Church traditionally is very Aristotlean and Platonic in its philosophy. The Catholic Church believes in evolution of theology over time. They also believe in the Beatific Vision, in which the believer sees God in Heaven.

Eastern Orthodoxy is instead run on a national level, with each national church being run by a council of bishops. The Orthodox Church generally believes that theology shouldn't change, but that practices should be as close to those of the ancient church as possible. It believes that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone, and also follows the Council of Chalcedon and its beliefs on the natures of Christ. The Orthodox Church is typically not as rationalistic in its belief system as the Catholic Church, and is instead very mystical in its outlook. Unlike the Catholic belief in the Beatific vision, Orthodox believe in 'Theosis', by which the believer is permeated by God's divine energy and experiences union with God in this way. Likewise, the Orthodox don't believe in Hell as a place of suffering, but rather as the experience of God's energies by those who don't want to experience it.

Oriental Orthodoxy is run similarly to the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Oriental Communion rejects the Council of Chalcedon, and instead believes in the doctrine of Miaphysitism, where Christ has one nature, which is a union of divinity and humanity. In terms of philosophy, it's very similar to the Eastern Orthodox Church. There are differences in the idea of Theosis according to the late Pope Shenouda of Alexandria, but I'm not smart enough to get into the esoteric differences he points out.

As far as whether it matters: The Church which is truly the one founded by Christ and the Apostles is infallible in its belief as the gates of Hell cannot triumph over it. So, yeah, it matters.

[Albrenia]

Myths don't frighten me.

Even the demons know Hell exists, so where does that leave you?

Well, if one doesn't believe in Hell, it is unlikely one believes in demons either.

[Big Jim P]

Even the demons know Hell exists, so where does that leave you?

Well, if one doesn't believe in Hell, it is unlikely one believes in demons either.

Amazing how that works isn't it? Some might even say it was miraculous.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

Back at "myths don't frighten me".

Your stubborn foolishness doesn't make truth a myth. Continue down this path you have chosen, and you will receive exactly what you have chosen: eternal separation from the Divine.

Let's just hope he is merely playing at "schoolkid-in-halloween-costume, digital version" and relishing his mod-approved, atheist-backed appointment as devil's advocate and not actually serious about it.

[Big Jim P]

Your stubborn foolishness doesn't make truth a myth. Continue down this path you have chosen, and you will receive exactly what you have chosen: eternal separation from the Divine.

Let's just hope he is merely playing at "schoolkid-in-halloween-costume, digital version" and relishing his mod-approved, atheist-backed appointment as devil's advocate and not actually serious about it.

I am fifty year old man who has been a Satanist longer than you've likely been alive.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Let's just hope he is merely playing at "schoolkid-in-halloween-costume, digital version" and relishing his mod-approved, atheist-backed appointment as devil's advocate and not actually serious about it.

I am fifty year old man who has been a Satanist longer than you've likely been alive.

So, what interest do you have in the Christian Discussion Thread?

[Big Jim P]

I am fifty year old man who has been a Satanist longer than you've likely been alive.

So, what interest do you have in the Christian Discussion Thread?

Well, I am married to one, and my father-in-law, Pope Joan is a retired Pastor, but I really only came in to laugh at Blaats joke a page or two back.

[Albrenia]

I am fifty year old man who has been a Satanist longer than you've likely been alive.

So, what interest do you have in the Christian Discussion Thread?

I believe they popped by to applaud a particularly funny bit of Blasphemy by Blaat, and then were drawn into a conversation about blasphemy and mocking God.

EDIT - Ninja'd by the man himself.

[New Emeline]

I'm not Christian either, I just like learning about religions.

[Albrenia]

I'm not Christian either, I just like learning about religions.

They are one of the more interesting topics to me. Some deeply profound stuff to be found in 'em, even for a non-believer.

[New Emeline]

I'm not Christian either, I just like learning about religions.

They are one of the more interesting topics to me. Some deeply profound stuff to be found in 'em, even for a non-believer.

I agree. It's always good to understand the beliefs of those around you.

[The Glorious Third Reign of Templedom]

That would be a huge post, so I'll just cover the ones I'm most familiar with, which would be Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the Oriental Communion.

What the three have in common is that they agree with the belief in Apostolic tradition as the basis of the faith, as well as the belief in episcopal administration in which bishops who are appointed by previous bishops in a line going back to one of the original Apostles run the church.
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As far as whether it matters: The Church which is truly the one founded by Christ and the Apostles is infallible in its belief as the gates of Hell cannot triumph over it. So, yeah, it matters.

Amen to that! We are blessed by your participation, UMN.

On a personal level, I really wish Anglican Holy Orders are valid even though I know they are not (due to form - the wordings; but the line of succession is there, also our Baptisms are recognised).

[Big Jim P]

So, what interest do you have in the Christian Discussion Thread?

I believe they popped by to applaud a particularly funny bit of Blasphemy by Blaat, and then were drawn into a conversation about blasphemy and mocking God.

EDIT - Ninja'd by the man himself.

It's one of my hell-spawned powers.