The Christian Discussion thread IX: Pelagius Rising.

[Geneviev]

I follow Catholic and Lutheran tradition and doctrine.

But they conflict on multiple matters.

Not really. Mass is the only major difference.

[Baltenstein]

Good day. I am a Catholic-Lutheran.

Wow, good thing you weren't present at the Diet of Worms.

[Salus Maior]

But they conflict on multiple matters.

Not really. Mass is the only major difference.

....There's a good few other major differences.

[Geneviev]

Not really. Mass is the only major difference.

....There's a good few other major differences.

None that I have encountered. What are those differences?

[Mujahidah]

....There's a good few other major differences.

None that I have encountered. What are those differences?

From my admittedly incomplete understanding of Christianity:

• Papal Authority
• Trans vs. Consubstantiation
• Works + Faith vs Just Faith

[Geneviev]

None that I have encountered. What are those differences?

From my admittedly incomplete understanding of Christianity:

• Papal Authority
• Trans vs. Consubstantiation
• Works + Faith vs Just Faith

Transubstantiation and consubstantiation are the only major difference I know of. The others (and this may be the most controversial thing I have ever said lol) are much less important.

[Mujahidah]

From my admittedly incomplete understanding of Christianity:

• Papal Authority
• Trans vs. Consubstantiation
• Works + Faith vs Just Faith

Transubstantiation and consubstantiation are the only major difference I know of. The others (and this may be the most controversial thing I have ever said lol) are much less important.

I think whether the Pope is the infallible (yes I know its limited don't @ me Catholics) leader of your religion or not is a pretty important disagreement. Trans/Con, though in my outsider opinion rather minute, isn't something you can just brush over.

[Corpus Magnus]

From my admittedly incomplete understanding of Christianity:

• Papal Authority
• Trans vs. Consubstantiation
• Works + Faith vs Just Faith

Transubstantiation and consubstantiation are the only major difference I know of. The others (and this may be the most controversial thing I have ever said lol) are much less important.

How do you reconcile these differences?

[Geneviev]

Transubstantiation and consubstantiation are the only major difference I know of. The others (and this may be the most controversial thing I have ever said lol) are much less important.

How do you reconcile these differences?

I like to call it a game of doublethink. Joking aside, I consider the Pope the voice of God, the successor of Peter. Trans- and consubstantiation are essentially very similar, when compared with other Protestant views transubstantiation is very close. Additionally, Lutheranism and Catholicism both believe in good works. That is not a problem.

[Mujahidah]

I consider the Pope the voice of God, the successor of Peter.

But is he, in your view, infallible?

Trans- and consubstantiation are essentially very similar, when compared with other Protestant views transubstantiation is very close.

They are similar but they are still different. Which one do you subscribe to? You can't just say "yes."

Additionally, Lutheranism and Catholicism both believe in good works. That is not a problem.

Yes but, my understanding is, that Catholicism believes they are a necessity to get into heaven whereas Lutherans merely hold them to be a positive indicator of one's virtue, but all that's really necessary is faith. These are different positions.

[Auze]

None that I have encountered. What are those differences?

From my admittedly incomplete understanding of Christianity:

• Papal Authority
• Trans vs. Consubstantiation
• Works + Faith vs Just Faith

Also whether Protestantism is a heresy.

[Tarsonis]

I consider the Pope the voice of God, the successor of Peter.

But is he, in your view, infallible?

Only in very certain instances are his words infallible. As a man no he is not.

Trans- and consubstantiation are essentially very similar, when compared with other Protestant views transubstantiation is very close.

They are similar but they are still different. Which one do you subscribe to? You can't just say "yes."

Can’t speak for her but for me transubstantiation is bae.

Additionally, Lutheranism and Catholicism both believe in good works. That is not a problem.

Yes but, my understanding is, that Catholicism believes they are a necessity to get into heaven whereas Lutherans merely hold them to be a positive indicator of one's virtue, but all that's really necessary is faith. These are different positions.

They’re a requirement yes, in that your faith is counted as dead if you do not do them. However they’re not “weighed” in terms of being a part of the economy of salvation.

[Geneviev]

I consider the Pope the voice of God, the successor of Peter.

But is he, in your view, infallible?

Trans- and consubstantiation are essentially very similar, when compared with other Protestant views transubstantiation is very close.

They are similar but they are still different. Which one do you subscribe to? You can't just say "yes."

Additionally, Lutheranism and Catholicism both believe in good works. That is not a problem.

Yes but, my understanding is, that Catholicism believes they are a necessity to get into heaven whereas Lutherans merely hold them to be a positive indicator of one's virtue, but all that's really necessary is faith. These are different positions.

He is a human being, therefore he can make mistakes. I believe that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. That is true. I personally believe that good works are a sign of faith, if you lack good works, you lack faith.

[Mujahidah]

But is he, in your view, infallible?



They are similar but they are still different. Which one do you subscribe to? You can't just say "yes."



Yes but, my understanding is, that Catholicism believes they are a necessity to get into heaven whereas Lutherans merely hold them to be a positive indicator of one's virtue, but all that's really necessary is faith. These are different positions.

He is a human being, therefore he can make mistakes. I believe that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. That is true. I personally believe that good works are a sign of faith, if you lack good works, you lack faith.

You seem really close to just simply being a Catholic....

[Geneviev]

He is a human being, therefore he can make mistakes. I believe that the bread and wine are the body and blood of Christ. That is true. I personally believe that good works are a sign of faith, if you lack good works, you lack faith.

You seem really close to just simply being a Catholic....

Very, very many people say that. Catholics tell me I'm not very close then. But everyone else seems to consider me Catholic.

[Big Jim P]

Not really, because then you can start making excuses for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Does Big Jim P really need excuses?

No, I don't.

[Big Jim P]

Big Jim P


"12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever."
(Jude 1:12-13, KJV)

I don’t think a satanist is going to give a rats ass about anything the Bible says

Myths don't frighten me.

[Albrenia]

Does Big Jim P really need excuses?

No, I don't.

I've been meaning to ask if you are really a satanist and if so what type, but this doesn't seem like the right thread for that.

[Big Jim P]

You're going to hell for that one, most certainly.

I'll be in good company

Your suite will be waiting.

[Soviet-mongol]

Not that I particulary like the current Pope. I think he is the worst in the last hundert year... but did he really abolished the hell? This is a claim from the atheist journalist. The Vatican press claims the Pope never said this. So, to whom to believe?

No, he didn't.

As I, and basically every other Catholic on the thread, has said multiple times. It was tabloid journalism.

I am not sure. The Pope had so many controversial statement that is not surprising that he would told even more crazier stuff in private.

[Hakons]

>People thinking Hell is a laughing matter

Everything that holds power has to be able to be ridiculed. Hell is no exception.

God holds all power, and God is not mocked. Neither should serious matters of faith be mocked, like Hell.

[Jovilor]

Is it ok if I say hecc or fricc

[Albrenia]

Is it ok if I say hecc or fricc

Fricc isn't even related to anything to do with Christianity...

Oh, or is this a reference to the 'Christian Roblox/Minecraft server' meme?

[Tarsonis]

You seem really close to just simply being a Catholic....

Very, very many people say that. Catholics tell me I'm not very close then. But everyone else seems to consider me Catholic.

It would have to be on other matters. That’s pretty much Catholic doctine ver batum

[Rivine]

Is it ok if I say hecc or fricc

Using FR**C uncensored?
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